Please link where I said fixing Cosmos is better than implementing a good NPE.
Anyway, I have Windows 10 OS and I don’t see any noticeable bugs.
Also the statement about CCP not having resources to fix in-game issues is laughable at best.
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When Brisc pointed out what I did and you disagreed so passionately you resorted to insults.
And in my experience in eve I haven’t come across the Cosmos bugs. If we are really going down the “it hasnt happened to me so therefore it doesn’t exist” route then you really have gone off the deep end.
Is it? In this day and age give me an example of any team, be it development, construction or customer service the isn’t under resourced and I’ll be astounded.
But if you want to go deeper. I’m sure the bulk of developers at CCP have next to no say on what they work on. Someone up high is setting the agenda. So while many of them may want to jump into fixing bugs….. if their team leader says that x peace of development needs to be shipped by y date……. Then that’s what they work on if they want to stay employed. That doesn’t make them incompetent. It may make their team leader incompetent if he/she is prioritising the wrong thing. But to make such a sweeping generalisation on competence like you have repeatedly in this thread is just willfull ignorance.
At the end of the day CCP will have a huge list of changes, new content and bugs. That list will get ranked by priority and the things that will have the most impact will be at the top. Despite what you say it just will not be possible to get to everything. It never is. To think otherwise is hoping to get a ride on a unicorn.
I’ll now expect the usual insults of CCP shill and apologist. Take your time. I’ve got all day
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That’s his base state.
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FYI, the incompetence is implementing something that’s incomplete and has bugs, especially when they ignore the test server feedback.
You’re jumping to the wrong conclusion and quite frankly I don’t see where Brisc pointed out something that you did. More importantly, I don’t care if he did point out something you did.
Brisc initiated a confrontation with me because he didn’t like me saying ‘the content wouldn’t need to be fixed if CCP actually hired competent programmers’.
Heh, if you had experience with Cosmos content then you wouldn’t be saying that.
I don’t need to post any insults, you’ve already insulted yourself by jumping in to Whiteknight for Brisc.
So says the recently created forum alt, post with your main…
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Because it’s not about programmers, it’s about what lead designers and managers tell them to work on.
If you think they tell them to implement bug ridden unfinished content then you’re a fool.
Also I don’t care what you say, you don’t work for CCP so all you’re doing is posting conjecture.
Same goes for your buddy Etch Masuka who’s writting a wall of text.
You’ve never actually worked a day in your life, have you.
I’m not white knighting for anyone.
I’m simply explaining some simple realities about the constraints developers are under. If you can’t understand that a game developer has priorities and that some things…… like bug fixes for content that’s fairly niche ….. are lower on that list than other things……. Well we are never going to see eye to eye are we.
Seriously? You think that’s a defensible position? You say something that’s untrue and insulting to people just doing their jobs (like I said they get told what to work on) and YOU are the victim because you were called out on it.
And that’s the rub. Your responses to this thread are about Brisc. Disagreeing with him and not backing down is more important than having any sound argument.
So in order to hopefully put this to bed. In the event CCP has a team of developers and that team needs to have a task allocated for the upcoming weeks. Do you allocate them to adding a feature to the game (like new combat sites or updating the npe) or do you get them to focus on bug fixes with Cosmos on the list?
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This forum is full of trolls and the ISD’s just let them slide and poison the forum while clamping down on legitimate members. That’s a shame for the “official” EVE forum.
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No but they do tell them that the product needs to be shipped by a certain date. Those programmers will present their work and know about the bugs and explain that to a team leader who will ultimately make the decision to ship or not.
If it’s deemed by the team leader and other decision makers that the cost of releasing with bugs is tolerable it will be released and the developers /programmers moved onto something else probably frustrated they were not given enough time to fully complete the work.
Again common across all industries.
You are tarring the worker bees with the same brush as the decision makers.
Save your ire for where it’s deserved and don’t blanket insult a whole group of people that are just doing their jobs
Why is this so hard to understand?
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Gawd some of you people just plain don’t get it. There’s no excuse for constantly implementing buggy incomplete work. Most employers would fire an employee for doing that.
Anyway, you and your alt can continue posting your BS replies, I have much better things to do.
If the employer does not give adequate time for the work to be undertaken and chooses to release despite the employees recommendation not to. Is it still the employees fault?
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Dude, I’ve had it with your incessant BS excuses.
I’m an Industrial Union Pipefitter working in Oil Refinery’s. All jobs have time constraints on them which have to be done correctly, there is no excuse for poor craftsmanship and if the work is not quality or completed on time, you get fired / replaced.
Now I don’t care if you like playing a bug ridden game filled with unfinished content, that’s your right. However as a paying customer I have every right to express my dissatisfaction with the quality of this game, regardless if others take offense.
What I won’t do is waste any more of my time replying to you anymore. Go ahead and get the last word in, I don’t care.
As an industrial union pipe fitter if you gave your employer a time estimate for undertaking a task is 14 days. And they told you you had no more than 7………. How would you react? Who’s fault would it be when things went wrong? If you couldn’t complete the job to your usual high standard in that time frame would it be fair if I called you incompetent?
This does however shed light on your point of view. As I’m sure many of the tasks you are involved in genuinely involve life safety or have significant stakes if you get things wrong. Which I’m sure means your employer takes what you say seriously and is unlikely to impose unrealistic deadlines……. And if stuff doesn’t go right. Well it just takes longer because you can’t compromise on life safety. So I get why you would take a stance of ……. If it’s going to be done it needs to be right first time.
Development doesn’t have the same stakes. Far more compromises can be made as nobody is gonna die (well hopefully). Individual developers arn’t setting those compromises, team leaders and high ups in CCP are. If they say only 7 days is available for something and a developer thinks they need 14……… guess who wins that argument.
Resources are, as said before, finite.
So yes feel free to trash CCP. And sure call out incompetent decisions. But please don’t trash someone who wanted a day to fix a bug but was overruled by a team leader.
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If you had said that as your first post and left it at that, I’d have a better opinion of you.
But since you thought hammering incoherent WOT after WOT was the better way to present yourself…
Mr Epeen 
If by incoherent WOT after WOT you mean a much needed dose of reality then sure…… we are on the same page.
How things work in your job are not the same as how things work in software development. It is sadly far too common to run into issues during code development where you see change A causing problems with system Z when you were trying to change system X, due to an undocumented dependency in the feature – something CCP has loads of – and then being told you won’t get to fix it before release. On top of that, the frequency with which testing gets carved back to not include regression testing and only do progression testing is painfully high. It’s a horrible way to run a development shop – but the people writing the code are not the ones making those decisions. It is project stakeholders - directors and executives - who make those calls, not the coders. Calling the coders incompetent because they literally are not allowed to perform enough testing to find all the bugs, or told to move on to the next project when there are known bugs outstanding, is not fair to the coders. Lay the blame where it actually belongs: on the leadership who care more about selling the next release than about having a stable product.
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No. I mean nonsensical.
Mr Epeen
Come on then…….
School me.
Performing timely quality work is a prerequisite for employment, whether you’re a Chef, a Pipefitter, a Garage Mechanic, a Bartender, a Painter, a Teacher, etc, etc.
I really don’t care to hear anymore BS excuses from players who don’t work for CCP. As long as you all keep blowing smoke up their asses, make excuses and accept their shoddy work, then this game will always be filled with buggy broken content.