some of these suicide ganking squads actually go mob tactics so you can pay to mine safely. It is not the cool thing to do but if you simply don’t feel like mining stressed than these gankers will actually blow up other suicide gankers because of their protection programs…but it’ll cost ya.
You are not talking about AFK.
You are talking about, remaining focused in a game, where you have nothing to do. For a very bad value.
You can pay them, and they can gank you again even if you paid.
Stop the BS.
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Yes. Not AFK. Being focussed on the game. Indeed! When the goal is not to die to suicide gankers, not being afk is the most economic approach, because in any other case at least one ship is going to explode and the likelyhood of that being only the gankers is the smallest.
When the goal is to actually make money, then they wouldn’t be mining in the first place. The solution to “what’s an economical thing to do?” is to not mine in the first place and instead doing something else. The more people are involved, the less it makes sense to mine.
Though, to be fair, the next best thing to “not being AFK” is at least having the overview visible while watching youporn netflix. Rightclick on a bookmark to make the menu show up, then alt-tab away, with the menu still visible. It takes reaction time and one click to warp out.
You seem angry.
how about this, have a first line and second line of miners.
first line in Keikaken
second line in Ukkalen.
The first line is the “shitty mining bait” and the second line is the real mining operation.
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I do agree with you, I find a typical miners play style a little rigid. Also the point of my post was to take the attention away from the mining ship and onto the mining alt who is in a cheap pvp cruiser.
The profile of a typical suicide ganker is one which they will come and attack your ships repeatedly every day without fail, they will troll in local chat and generally be quite annoying (which can be funny at times).
Align-Ecm-Warp off will work but then it will be trolling such as “Haha you can’t mine here effectively” Take up arms and defend your mining operation.
You can’t bet on the idea that they might not attack you, just because of the security status of the system. That’s a bet you’re most likely going to lose. Ignoring that, you’re still going to lose ships.
As I’ve said, the easiest and most economical choice is to warp off when they come. It renders everything else pointless. All the thoughts about a defense fleet, tactics, etc. Everything. All the additional people or alts and ships. Not needed anymore. All it takes is paying attention and warping out.
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There is no successful in-game strategy against a weak ego, Aaron. This is a completely different problem. When a miner isn’t happy about not losing his ship, and instead can’t help himself but to feel offended by words, then there is nothing that can help him, because he’ll turn himself a bigger and bigger target.
Having a “thick skin” is part of “survival”. Being a loudmouth increases the likelyhood of getting smacked. That’s pretty much a universal rule.
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Nothing to do with ego!
Facts: game play time is limited and not everyone can play for the amount of time they want to. It sucks logging in and finding suicide gankers loitering in your preferred mining system when you only have an hour to play.
My only point is not to accept the aggression being dealt upon you, stand and defend yourself, your team mates and your operation. We have an epic sci-fi game here, use it to it’s full extent.
My coffee recipe is the following, applied in that order:
Four small spoons of cacao.
One nice spoon of honey.
A tiny bit of sweet rum.
One spoon of poppy seeds.
One shot of espresso.
Half a litre hot water.
It’ll get your heart and mind going.
As soon as a person can’t deal with words thrown at him, it’s because of his weak ego. When he can’t deal with being made fun of, then that’s because his ego feels attacked, causing a reaction. For the same reason people write hatemails to suicide gankers, because the attack on their ship is being interpreted as an attack on themselves, thus their egos react to it.
That’s irrelevant. It applies to every single player in one way or another and is therefore not an argument. If you don’t have the time then the problem is, and always has been, only someones own and never someone elses.
In regards to structures you get a chance to set a time where you hope to be around to defend it, but the problem still is your own. That was imba before, because defenders could force attackers to attack when they themselves wanted them to attack, turning ones own “time” problem into someone elses “time” problem. CCP addressed that by allowing attackers to choose the day.
THIS is a great argument. When I look at it that way, then you’re right of course. 
here is food for thought: if I was a suicide ganker I would check on the forums for easy targets because if you are inquiring how to deal with suicide gankers then you clearly stick out as “fish” and the most fun can be had preying on the weak. So NOT asking about dealing with suicide gankers, keeping a low profile and don’t have your corp description too obviously displayed as being easy prey will work…
Because you might think how do these gankers actually know how to find us? They sit on these forums and profile potential targets…good luck 
As stated before if you alone, just warp out as soon they in system. If in a mining op, use procs/skiffs, also orca with reppers . They won’t have the balls to gank an orca/skiff fleet most of the times. If so, it’s they’re loss, a repping orca is a nice gank counter measure. But in most times they will go forums crying about mining ships being too tanky.
It has nothing to do with balls. When there’s not enough firepower available, no one is going to try ganking an orca. You bringing “balls” into this says more about you than about anyone else. When there’s enough firepower available, then the orca goes down. That’s not an “if”. You’re taking this stuff way too seriously and personal.
CODE. is the sole reason why there are so many tanked mining ships out there in the first place. They’re not crying about that, because they don’t need to care about it. There’s still plenty of idiots out there who either don’t pay attention or don’t tank their ships. They’ll learn just like all the others before them and then will tank their ships or at least stop mining AFK.
Unlike you, who apparently is constantly angry about gankers, gankers don’t run around constantly being angry about bears and miners. You’re taking this way too deep into real life.
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The thing is , some people do run around constantly, being angry at people, and claim that “miners are cancer” and co.
Ganker or not, nobody cares. You are the one making up a difference, and generalities.
Your post is just another dichotomy BS.
People whine a lot about how it is difficult to gank, that CCP should change it. That the 3 minutes timers will kill their gameplay.
Big brains mine in low sec
Yes you can, sometimes if the gankers fleet is too small this can make difference. But this is not a 100% counter as when they see on dscan or on the grid with their cloaky alt that you have the remote repairing they bring more ships and you die anyway.
Either way, skiffs are rarely attacked. Just flying a skiff means almost 100% safety and you make yourself a target only if you are mining in “forbidden” place or if you fit 0 tank modules into your Skiff and some bored ganker will scan your ship and find this out.
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You should instead give me those 10M. Exact same effect. At least it won’t be used to gank you.
That would become bot paradise in ice belts in HS.
Nothing prevents them from ganking you.
The “permit” is a scam. It just repays for the ships that were used to gank you, effectively encouraging them to do it.
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The origin of the 10 million ISK mining permit is actually written down in a thread on the older forum. It came up originally as a way for miners to get out of being permabumped. It’s a GM decision. It eventually evolved in what it is nowadays. There are quite a few poor people who believe that it’s a protection racket, with CODE. members getting rich off of the ten million isk per person per year.
No one, except the fools who complain about it, is actually taking it serious. No one would be paying your fee either, btw, because that’s just ridiculous. Unenforcable. Too many alts, too much space to move to.
I’m not angry about them, I been ganked some times and even opened chat with them, also donated some isk as they made me learn a valuable lesson. You are ASSUMING I’m angry, don’t assume anything.