They are a group in the sense that they share a common trait. They may well be otherwise unrelated.
The mistake is one of not attempting to learn, understand or to play according to a set of rules about which there are no secrets. It is a mistake, as you write.
You may think so, Analoreke, but my opinion differs from yours.
I did not write this and certainly do not believe it. I could assert that the majority of miners who are successfully ganked exhibit certain characteristics in common (AFK, fail-fit ships, lack of awareness, etc.), but these would not apply in every case.
I have never claimed that this is so. It has become a meme, and does (or did) have some basis in fact (āNetflixā was a catch-all). Disparaging others is - whether we like it or not - a distinct part of interaction in EVE. Itās usually called āsmack-talkā. It can get out of hand and become abusive, so I avoid it. Also, Iām useless at it.
If you think that miners and mining are undeservedly deprecated in this game, just take a look at what is written about gankers! We also log in simply to entertain and enjoy ourselves and, like mining, our gameplay is supported by mechanics developed by the company which makes the game.
I agree with that, Sasha. Iām simply trying to say that the usual reasons that the gankers use for wasting a ship arenāt always valid.
Thatās what I donāt like. Itās bad enough that someone loses a billion-isk ship, he doesnāt need to read disparaging stuff about his mother.
Last week my scout alt was observing capsuleers engaged in Gatecamping. I asked in Local if they were having fun and if they werenāt bored ( I was curious and maybe hoping for a discussion ) and one of them told me āweāre not bored because we have your mom with usā.
That will teach me to talk in Local I guess. First time using Local, last time using Local.
Oh I have seen what is written about gankers and the smack-talk does go both ways. Iām not trying to defend miners or gankers, Iām simply pointing at the hypocrisy, the lies and the rudeness. Itās a game, it doesnāt have to be that way. It can put a lot of people off, especially a new player who isnāt used to playing MMOs and those are good candidates for long-time customers.
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Ah, another yapper complaining about ganking. This salty post alone might finally push me to start ganking myself, just imagine the entertainment of watching all the rage-fueled chat unfold after popping a miner or two. Mondays, you say? Sounds like the perfect day to kick off a new hobby.
Nothing is more pure then a Ganker, they are unabashedly unafraid of there truth to shoot your ship.
Miners are a nefarious lot, and while not all miners are bad the higher up you go the more you see these behaviors.
The miner looks on at the competitors Orca with disdain, so he hires gankers to shoot the ship as he is incapable of doing the deed on his own. The perpetrator pretends to be innocent patting his victim on the back telling him Gankers suck and how much he hates them. All while concord and AG sit and defend the coward.
The greed of stealing other miners ores or not fulfilling fleet buy back are also true and happen frequently. When your dumping in an orca you should be aware of how much your receiving in return
Including broadcasting of there neighbors freighters taking off to Jita. They say Gankers are sociopaths, but what kind of person does that to someone else while feigning friendship? It doesnāt measure up to scrutiny if you know what your looking for.
These acts are beneath me, as there are others who feel the same or will virtue signal to conceal themselves.
But the next time your ship gets dunked you should take a good look at whoās around you, and ask yourself what did everyone else in the belt gain with your loss.
The Ganker is pure of heart, radiating truth.
The miner is a deceptive devil, hiding behind victimhood and playing the strings of CCP and the masses like a marionette.
I like your reply. You make a lot of sense and I donāt doubt the things you say about both gankers and miners.
My original point in this thread was about the āAFKā myth and Sasha straighten that one with flair and respect.
I will not doubt your experience.
Living in Lowsec, Iām so happy I donāt have to deal with either gankers or miners and I will slowly and carefully step back from the trap of having to choose either as I donāt see why I should care.
I wash my hands of that nasty rivalry now.
@Spring_Sky Thank you. I havenāt played that long to have much experience either in Lowsec or Hisec.
All Iāve done in Hisec besides the career agents is use the market and transport stuff to systems close to Lowsec so I can have it ready when I need it.
In Lowsec I have set bookmarks, observed some combat and gatecamps and gathered intel on the denizens of the systems I wish to exploit through P.I
Iām only 2 months and 10 days old, Iām a newborn learning to drink from a bottle. Because the skill queue is so slow ( even with implants ) and I canāt use the PC anytime I wish because I have to share it, it will be a while until anything exciting happens on my end and thatās a good thing as it gives me the time to plan.
Actually this is not a complaint about Ganking at all as this is a reminder thread for Gankers that there is a Code. That actually meant something long ago.
If youāre willing to work with us here I am positive that we can discuss the issue with the current Safety and the old rules that were given to them.
They refuse to accept that I am judging their performance, their abilities to follow the rules and they constantly mock without reason.
We in the past had lashed out though there was always a strong message and meaning behind each and every time.
The ability to point out their wrong doing and dig up past evidence as example is what they need to remember as we keep them to follow the same rules that they issued to us miners but not every miner holds strong focus on the goal.
Somewhere in the original Code are written the words āit is a living, breathing documentā. Its dynamic nature was early intended by James and continues to flourish under the guidance of @Aiko_Danuja.
Holding gankers to the provisions of a document the interpretations of which were never intended to be cast in stone, makes little sense. James admitted that he couldnāt cover every eventuality within its sacred pages and that gankers themselves could and must improvise, where necessary.
Indeed, Aiko has updated the Code - and very ably, too - so that it reflects current considerations and preoccupations. Here is a link, Chad.
If you wish to engage in some sort of exploratory dialogue with gankers, I politely suggest that you call a summit of the relevant parties, create an in-game channel and have at it!
ccp needs to bring back sp loss but only when you die to concord. Since losing your ship to concord isnt the same penalty as it was when the mechanic was designed. 20 years makes a big difference. Bring back sp loss for hs deaths. Ganking will stop immediately
Miner, would you message the drug lab before you raid it to see if maybe they stop their illegal activity that has probably already caused harm to countless law abiding citizens?
You already know your obligations under The Code, even the existence of this thread is prove of that. Yet you try to frame your continued theft of New Order resources from James 315ā sacred lands as āhonest workā and somehow even think it would make sense if we grant ājustice freeā days, where you can pillage and terrorize the land as you please without repercussions.
This insanity is exactly why the New Order of Highsec is needed, to bring order to this Chaos and bring you criminals to justice.
Get your mining permit. Follow your local New Order Agents orders and follow the Code to the letter or you will be brought to justice as soon as your local Agent feels like it.
Uh, no. The effect of SP loss on your average T2 ganker would be minimal and rather quickly redressed, I imagine. Gankers and their many supporters have deep pockets. No poors, you know.
Punishing gankers further will achieve little except to make most of us more determined than ever!
It must be galling to wish for something so badly and yet not have the power to bring it into existence.
You know it easy to turn a blind eye and look the other way when a Ganker targeted a miner without fair warning.
Mission Runners are Miners based on the Ganker dialogue which suggests that unless the pilot is on Autopilot and doesnāt respond to a courtesy bump or even a call out in Local then Ganking is not an option unless the pilot is AFK and refuses to either pursue a different approach or buy into the gankers permit extortion.
Yes, itās a fine point, but what it means is that, if a miner is hailed in Local, he/she must respond.
It doesnāt mean that the one doing the hailing must hail the miner in Local. You believe it to be a courtesy which should be afforded to the miner; the Code encourages but does not demand it.
I hope thatās clear, Chad. The Code can be difficult to interpret, but my long association both with the document and its author grants me - I hope - some authority in its exegesis.
The Code is subject to a process of continual renewal (āamendmentā if you wish). I directed you to the page where it resides, on Aikoās blog. You would do well to pay a visit and see some of the amendments which have already become law.
