I meant that with an emphasis on the “your” part. Why would someone in hisec running incursions care about some guy’s privacy in trying to ninja mine someone else moons? Same thing for a faction warfare guy. Or One of PL’s FC’s? One of Goons 61 Lawyer I mean Rorqual multibox champions?
My point being that it is such a non issue because it only affects less than what maybe 20 or even up to 100 guys in the whole game who want to do something like that. So CCP and the rest of us should be all SJW rollovers for this one guy and his overblown obsession with his internet privacies thinking that his data (and he means HIS data) is going to be sold to a 3rd party. It’s not his data to begin with, it’s CCP’s.
Chicken Little-ing because he can’t have complete anonymity stealing is just big piles of horse pucky.
You are right though, I honestly don’t care about other people’s privacy in Eve. Because I deal with my own piles of horse pucky and don’t need to or want to get involved with other peoples piles.
I have to deal with Privacy Compliance and Data Security and Privacy Policies every day in my RL job. Let me tell you the hoops that corporations have to go through to manage people’s real life protected data is a bazillion times more needing attention than this one clown who’s worried about paying taxes in an online game with fake money.
OK Imay have misread something somewhere but I thought the concern was about this giving free intel about the ninja miners. As in who they are, when they are on, who they are stealing from etc.
As such it is likely to put people off doing this entirely. I suggested a while back that ninja miners should be able to steal from the rock as it is hauled up but before it’s exploded. The reply was why bother, you can steal from the rocks when they are produced.
Turns out that this is like stealing crops from a farm, but leaving your name, address and a list of goods you took. Not exactly ninja…
I’m not sure where this slipped into data protection legislation, but in UK terms at least it actually is your data if it is in any way tied to your real identity.
but it was CCP who stated it best as something like the citadel offers 23.5/7 surveillance of the moon field. your own ships’ registry transponder broadcasts it’s signal to the citadel telling it you were there and when. the citadel knows exactly down to the last particle how much ore is in the field through detailed analysis; and by that analysis, it knows who, what, where and when. just like local sees you if you say anything or not; that’s your ships registry transponder broadcasting your presence, everywhere but wormhole space. if no one is in local to see it does that mean it didn’t happen? No, you enter that space and your transponder broadcasts your registry.
I don’t see any right to privacy, if you are entering someone’s sovereign space; be it a null sec block, or npc. your ships’ transponder is broadcasting your signature whether you want it to or not, so it will be registered by someone, or something, sometime and somewhere upon you entering the system. it’s not logical to say that you have the right to privacy to steal from someone’s heavily monitored and accounted resource without their noticing.
your analogy doesn’t really fit; it more like you go into the bank at 3am with your work shirt on that says where you work and your name tag. you proceed to look into the atm camera, smile real pretty and steal the atm.
They still have to investigate, they still have to put all the pieces together. You didn’t leave your address, but you did tell them who you are, but the have to work the clues to find you. And yes, they certainly know exactly how much you took.
Except everything else you do ‘ninja’ is just that. In game terms CCP stated they wanted people to ninja mine the belts, most people will say no thanks, or it’ll become venture alts in empty NPC corp clones. It just doesn’t work in promoting ‘ninja’ mining as it is nothing of the kind.
Lets just take something completely out of context, make something up that has absolutely nothing to do with the post and pretend we are smart…
Ok, yes everyone should pay a fair share toward upkeep of space - But why does that give you the right to charge miners twice for the same thing?
So you are going to charge each person mining your moon multiple taxes for the one activity. You just confirmed why mining ledgers are bad.
As for landlords to pay - Put your alts back in NC. (your landlord and where your main is), then you have no rent to pay…
“Slaves” is the right word here, using others others so you get a free ride
CCP promote the worst game mechanics so the elitists can pretend they are special. Reality is, your nothing but extortionists and elitist douche bags
Learn to read, PLEASE.
Reply to what is written not what you think is written.
Try answering a post in context.
I never said it was “my” data, I said it was data about my activities.
This has nothing at all to do with “personally identifiable data” and I never said it did.
My objection is that Devs are giving data relating to my play time activities to people I don’t choose to have it - That is why API’s were created, so only those you choose to have certain information about you can get it.
Nowhere in the EULA does it state “I give permission to CCP to limit how I play the game by allowing them to give information about me to my enemies”
My biggest concern lies in the fact, many 3rd party devs working with the API are smarter than CCP’s Devs - This information could well end up being used for things other than Devs intended.
LOL, this is actually funny when you take into consideration “it is meant to be ninja mining” something done when there is NO-ONE around to watch you.
If I time it right there will be no-one to watch me (that is why it is called “NINJA MINING” - The Only way they get information about what I did is via CCP.
Can you not see the huge difference here?
No one said I or we or anyone is. As far as our rental system, you have no idea how it is going to work, so until you have a clue, you should hold your comments.
no one said that either. Again, get the information before you open your mouth about how others are planning to go with these new mechanics.
I’m sorry you know absolutely nothing about me.
You really are salty pal, and need to go to the bad dog corner. Your tears however are delicious
Keep crying about how you are being oppressed, someone might listen. I doubt it but you can hope.
Seems that not providing personal ledger information to the corporation just forces the corporation to build web apps and require the release of the personal ledger, so why not skip all that and just provide the CEO the tools they need to manage their corporation?
Agree it would be more of a monitoring tool to keep an eye on everything being mined by the corp and to try and catch serial cherry pickers who take the best and leave everything else.
Also would be nice to see what the corp as a whole is capable of mining.
What makes you so sure I don’t know how RMT’s rental system works?
I responded to what you said - " You’re damned right I’m going to charge a small fee to my slaves…"
Salty, maybe. Tears, not at all - again you are presuming.
I’ve dealt with enough shitlords like you over the years.
In the overall scheme of things;
Renters will come and go and you’ll still be there thinking you matter…
I personally don’t feel oppressed at all - I do however feel for those who due to CCP’s short sightedness (and poor game design) are paying monthly extortion bills (called “rent”) to the likes of you.
Imagine how different New Eden would be if everyone had to live in the space where they held sov. Where the only way to gain the benefits of sov (minimal as they are) were to actually own the system/s you occupied.
If ADM’s were based on activities performed by the sov holding alliance, not those renting the system. But that would see half the current sov ADM’s drop.
Having to maintain your own sov would be a game changer, one the elitists would never cope with…
Ah no. What we have here is just another in a long self-serving trend to remove the ability of small groups or individuals to be able to impact large null sec-blocks.
Nerfs to ESS
Siphon Nerf
Self-Repairing structures
goodbye Trollcepter
commencement of automated activity reporting
It is great to be able to queer someone’s pitch, but should it not happen in your own back yard? Guerrilla warfare should be a valid option and play style - instead of being choked from the game. We get it, you are lazy and do not want to have to task players as sentries to defend. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Since when historically has sovereignty granted passive intel? The next argument will be you anchor a structure (refinery) you get passive intel. You anchor a structure (ihub) you should get passive intel. Quite an irony that the change to Moon Mining was to reduce passive game play aspects - but seems to be an avenue to introduce more.
Miners did not ask this ledger. They already had one, called a Wallet. It comes from Null-Bwanas who have begged CCP for the ability to tax miners for years. Miners are already taxed; when they sell ore, refine then sell minerals, manufacture and sell materials.
Half Thought of again,well i think its time to go alpha and get some PUBG,some new cool stuff,not recycled CSM inspired ‘for the greater good’ munure like they were paying attention. all this stuff we just got from CCP to include the ships, was ‘new’ stuff to keep you paying. the People have been ripped off. THe number One Killer in Eve,is mining,and what did you turn Moon refining into…yeah.YOu have done well in taking things away,even better at not giving anything back.So why do you want a game to where every thing was nerfed down to nice.
“With the Lifeblood expansion on October 24, miners and industrialists will receive exciting new tools for their activities.”
MORE USELESS STUFF cause people cannot find their wallets or Jornals,lol,really guys we gave you chances and this was the best you could come up with after taking other things,stuff that was more Fun to USE .
With the new personal mining ledger you can track your mining history in a fancy visual way including m3/hour and isk/hour. The new corporation mining ledger shows all activities in your moon asteroid belts. We will also provide API endpoints.
This has nothing to do with gaming,just fancy , in game spreadsheets
Love the graph and tracking information, it is the most fundamental improvement for UI in some time, particularly where miners are concerned.
I was hoping there’d be a way for the corp to track what it’s miners were doing without having to request them to mail in their results for the day. So far the best I can come up with is a screenshot of my mining activity because the copy/paste function in the mining ledger is turning up gibberish when it’s sent to me.
I’m not entirely sure what problem you are seeing with the copy/paste function from the Mining Ledger. Here’s what it looks like for me, pasted into a text document or spreadsheet, is this what you’re experiencing?
Yes the formatting and stuff is gone but I guess it’s really a player issue since we tell them to mail us the ledger data. I just take screenshots if the CEO has any questions, easier to read.
I was just expecting it to come out differently than it did, anyhow that’s no big deal. The new tool is much easier to use for tracking efficiency.
Miners and the corps that support them (not the other way around) have been begging for a better method of ore harvesting tracking for years, almost as long as i’ve been playing seems like. This ledger is the first meaningful step in that direction. If it gets used for the betterment of the player base or for it’s detriment is entirely up to the players, this is not some ccp hatched plot.
did you actually think about that before you said it? because it’s hard to believe you did 
