Dev Blog: October Balance Pass!

or any of the other ecm bonused hulls. its entirely unnecessary to blanket bat ecm in this way.

its been almost 8yrs since I saw my first falcon kill. I say Saw it, bc I was unable to get a lock on it. not because I was jammed, but because he was outside of my targeting range. or maybe I was jammed too (I was very new to wh’s and pvp att), but I kno the falcon decloaked almost 100km away from me and a buddy. my buddy was in a dominix and much better versed on things than I. the falcon decloaked and jammed our domi’s in order to let his hauler come in from the otherside of the wh without having to worry about us catching him.

this was long long before any of the various attempts at ‘balancing’ ecm or buffing its counter (yes multiples do exist) that have happened over the years.

anyways, we had our ogres out, combat sweating, we hear the activation! then the falcon decloaks. I didn’t kno what to do in those brief moments; things happen soo fast in pvp :tired_face:

but @Li Ang DID kno what to do. and he Had to have been quick on the ball bc…

he immediately abandoned the launched ogres, and kicked out sentries.
the hauler escaped.
the falcon? well, he died before the hauler was even in warp. how? well, with quick thinking, and the right weapons system (or ship fit, just not in this particular case) ecm IS quite easy to counter. a falcon is a cloaky, and has many benefits related just to cloak, but it also is arguably the Best jam boat in the game. Domi’s are not known for their inherent immunity (or anything close) to jams. But because of the way drones/sentries set to aggressive behave, the moment the falcons cloak lock timer expired, he locked the domi’s and applied his jams. perhaps to both of us, mayb just li. if he tried to jam us both, he failed on me. if he tried to jam just Li, it wouldn’t have saved him from dying.
I aaalmost locked the hauler before it warped. Li didn’t even bother. He couldn’t. He was jammed. but the falcon died. the hauler lived. so goes.

at this point in my eve career I hadn’t trained sentries. but this experience, while an awesome win for Li, was a huge learning point for me. up to that point I had been told (and came to believe from personal experience) that ecm was OP/hard or impossible to counter, etc etc. eccm mods were a thing, but this was before it had been merged with sebo as a script (BUFFED). it was its own module. and nobody ever fit it. I wont say Never ever, but it was very rarely used.

ironically the same argument used today is the same argument used back then: why waste a slot on something you may never need? so many other things to put in that slot, etc etc.

I trained sentries after that, and figured not ALL ships, but Some (those with 25m3 bandwidth) at least had an inkling of a chance vs long range ecm boats. Especially cloakies because they have a cloak timer + the usual lock timer.
also, falcons were the go-to alt-boat for ‘solo’ pvp, because even tho they were thin and slow, they could usually hero jam from long range, save a friendly and either cloak back up or warp off. BUT, in order to be an effective Hero, they had to sacrifice nearly ALL slots to jams and amps and sebo’s for ranged locking (this was also before some buffs to general targeting range and scan res across a lot of different classes). the reason this hero falcon died in our story here is likely multi-threaded, but

tl;dr the falcon was thin, successfully jammed the main ship that posed a threat to him, saved his main/buddy, but was too slow to move or warp to avoid being killed by the sentries that he wasn’t expecting to even b able to shoot him.

Does this mean that sentries were OP 8 years ago? if so they still are. god plz don’t ‘balance’ them next :expressionless:

Does this mean that ecm was OP 8 years ago? I guess you could SAY that, but the falcon died. the domi didn’t. math anyone?

Does this mean ecm doesn’t have any counters? umm, I don’t THINK so…? :thinking:

IF this change stands in its current described form, ANY SHIP BEING JAMMED can counter the jammer provided the jammer is within targeting range in the first place.

this means arty tornados and beam oracles, when jammed, can shoot the jammer uninhibited. that’s not right.
no more jamming gank bc’s the moment they go flashy in hs, to save an obelisk. well, you CAN. and it May save the obelisk, but your chances of surviving yourself are now seriously in question. where the hell is concord you’ll suddenly be wondering?

who is BEST known for hs ganking?? who? say the name before nitpicking something else ive said in this post. say it! …it must be terrible for gank pilots to ‘be helpless to do anything as they watch themselves die’. how unfun!! :rofl:

it means if you decloak a falcon and go for hero jams on enemy logistics ship (guardians tend to fit sebo’s I wonder y) they can lock you back.
no more cloaking to save yourself; you cant. your locked. gl tactically retreating from an otherwise valid strategy in a slow ass boat, in a game full of OP claws and lurching hics. sarcasm

these are just a few examples of why this change is bad, and for reasons other than anyone has stated thus far(that ive see).

its a shame a person has to b soo damned detailed and specific, just to make a point in these threads. lest the trolls come out to feed on little details and verbage that they object to. its not necessarily<<(another one) the fault of those of us that post. it the fault of the trolls, and the failure of the moderators to suppress such behaviors.

EDIT: proof added. Falcon | entdude | Killmail | zKillboard
7YEARS correction :roll_eyes:
mayb he was closer than 100km and my skills were just ■■■■.
I don’t remember toxic being there, but the km says it so it surely was so. his drones doing 302 dmg I don’t think lessens my point any, and his positioning on grid may be why he landed even a single drone. without point on the falcon, the guy should’ve just run away or cloaked, but he died instead. isn’t making the hostile cloak, run, or die, winning?

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