if it is 100% then there is no “chance”. Are there 100% guarante ECMs now?
Yes and no, if we turn targeted ecm to act like burst and lock breaker bombs. I believe it will be easier to adjust the modules themselves with a few tweaks to the ship bonuses than adjust stats and then some.
Ships that are going to be down right affected from this nerf are the GNI, Rook, Widow, and to some extent the Falcon. These ships all have niches that they do well.
Widow: blops/solo
Falcon: WH, small gang, blops
Rook: WH, small gang, solo
GNI: small gang/solo
Unlike the griffin, blackbirds, and kitsune which see use im large numbers. The T2 and gni dont stack well in large fleets, and efficiency wise it dosent make sense unlike where large numbers of huggins, curse, and lachesis dont suffer as much in these environments.
Ecm ships suffer even more in a roaming environment, dur to the fact that you generally don’t know what you might run into. Which means you ether take 2 muilt and amps with the hope that jams land, pick 2 random racial ecm and buffer, or choose all 4 racial and place a poor armor tank with ecm being your primary tanking ablity.
Making ecm scriptable would allow ecm ships to bring less jams and more tank requiring less of a overhaul. But making targeted ecm only break locks means that ccp would havr to tweak cycle times in between 10-20 seconds and maybe add new bonuses to ECM dedicated hulls.
However i would vouch for no change in ecm intil fighters vs. Subcaps are reworked.
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There has always been. If your jam is so much add .1 higher than their sensors you will never fail.
People will try to say that’s not true however it is not only what the math says but hours of testing also confirms this. Unlike with scanning they never put a cap on it
Ecm drones will still shut them down after the change
As for the lock breaking idea it has come up before. As a way to make it so chance is removed from ecm problem is it becomes completely broken the second you add damps unless you nerf the cycle time so bad that they require damps
Then it’s bugged because it may never reach 100%
ECM
It’s not bugged rather eve uni isn’t infallible.
hell in the opening paragraph they say it is generally regarded as the most effective e-war. Even if you decide nuets and tackle don’t count damps are far more popular.
They even list the formula right there.
Jam/sensor = jam chance
11 jam / 10 sensor is 110% jam chance
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Just read through that where on the page does it even say 100% is impossible
Yep I assumed most hulls will have better sensor than 15 points. Sorry. With perfect skills most T1 frigs will be 100% ecmed, but with bigger hulls sensors are getting stronger and ECCM will have more impact. So it’s not “ecm will work 100% on all”. Raven will not be ecmed 100%.
I never said it would work 100% on all i said they need to get rid of 100% jams. As in it should never be possible on anything that is one of the main areas ecm is broken in standard gameplay
Those 100% jams works on very few hulls I don’t think it’s that of a problem. What they want to do now is actually get close to 100% jams on ALL hulls in the game, the drawback would be still hold target on ecmer. Nuts. How to balance that? Buff tank? What if I don’t use ecm mods but just build tanky scram platform? What with close range platforms that had ecm as tanks? How ECCM will work then? We have 2 october and no info what will be in “october patch”. At least they respond to HICs problem.
This entire change is just a balance nightmare fozzi said so him self a few years back.
There are loads of ships where 100% jams come into play. And either way it just should not be possible even if there was only one ship.
Currently ecm is far weaker and less problematic than damps. The problem with ecm comes from the cheese that can be done with it. Such as ecm drones and keeping a cloked falcon on grid to break tackle if things get bad. Or in small gangs where griffens can get over 10 points against frigates who with max skills are still out matched.
And this change does nothing to address any of those issues. This change along with the interceptor change were only done to placate players who have been complaining that the csm is nothing but a joke
I mean just look at the October changes
Hics that they promised not to do
Ceptor change that they have pointed out would only result in larger fleets of the weaker ceptor
And an ecm change that doesn’t solve anything and only causes more problems
Those are the best kind to pop with a Naga
Can’t bring a Naga into a novice or small sight so it kinda sucks for that Naga pilot to be sitting around doing nothing for the majority of the roam. Not to mention how much you need to gimp it so that it can keep up with the frigates
and that why it shouldn’t be touched with bandaid patches with premise to look it up after some time. As you wrote it will cause even more problems. Worst part of it is CSM is starting to work like CCP. We brought problems to CCP, will have some patch now, an “elegant solution” and we will deal with it later. That “later” never comes sometime. That ceptors changes you mention is just soft reversing from nullifing, small steps aproach.
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I feel the same way. It should not be changed until they have an actual plan.
And ofc that later never comes ccp only cares about generating hype and making empty promises. Either to boost acu temporally like with the new abyss crap or in the hopes that it may delay someone from hitting that unsubscribe for just one more month
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I did with my last post (And all my few other posts), and even suggested possible alternative methods of dealing with the “problem” as you see it. You ignored it.
Increasing our ECM strength, while not allowing us to use it to jam the people attacking us, is as close to pointless as things can come. It is like giving us a massive bonus multiplier to festival launcher damage.
Want my full opinion? (Historically speaking the answer is no, but I’m going to give it anyway)
Rework how Ewar modules work entirely. Split them into Small, Medium, Large, XL, and Capital modules and remove all the low slot boosting modules for ECM, incorporating the increased strength into the ewar module itself. Make the ECM ones scriptable for different types of sensor. Introduce a dread for each faction that is a pure Ewar platform. Let those capital Ewar dreads affect FAXes.
Reduce the cycle time of ECM modules so they don’t feel so oppressive if you get unlucky, while letting us have more swings at you.
O7
Dear CCP Falcon, I (and may some other pilots) wait since Sept 18th on a official answer to the question of Brock Khans
@CCP_Falcon Does the jamming changes apply to upwell structures? It seems to defeat the purpose of jamming a DPS ship from attacking your structure, if they can still target it.
Further :
What is the planning for my Falcon, Kitsune and my favourite Blops the Widow ?
Will they be just space junk, or will they recive a revamp, and when ?
Are my (perfect) e-war skills now obsoleete , will I recive a free revamp for my pilots ?
What will be the purpose of ECCM in the future, if there is a future ?
Will there be some similar nerfs to other e-war mods, like SD or Neut ?
Or are you planing to remove the e-war compleetly ?
Please let me know some serious information.
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Lol once the first weekend after a dev post comes out you are better off finding a snipe than a dev responding
Recently skilled up to a widow but not going anywhere near it till after the Balance Pass and I see what changes are made.
In all likelihood I will just have to train another Racial Battleship 5 as I can’t see what the point of the widow is after the change even with a “defense buff”.
Widows should never be using the type of ecm effected by this. If you are then extract your blops skill and go back to a falcon
I didn’t ignore it. I read it. I just didn’t have a response.
I mentioned this above. They’re not going to do that. They don’t have the time or resources to completely rework this mechanic. That’s why they’re doing small iterations, not complete revamps. The entire point of us asking them for small iterations was to do things that were achievable in the short term, rather than doing nothing while they play around with potentially tearing the entire system out and redoing it, which is impossible to roll back if it doesn’t work.