If they are using Agile development it is extremely unlikely they would ever roll something back unless it actually broke the entire game. Whenever they claim ‘rollback’, take it with a big enough pinch of salt it’d kill Jabba the Hutt.
Agile will work fine on tweak changes like individual hull or module balance changes. It isn’t as suitable for larger mechanics changes. That’s my professional opinion from working with it.
The change is working as intended, i.e. it removes solo ECM, and reduces the effectiveness of ECM. Of course, it didn’t change the disliked RNG mechanic but hey, let’s ignore that was used as the reasoning for the change.
Brisc whines (to use his own chosen depiction of those commenting here) that people should stop complaining. It’s true that the change is in game, and won’t be rolled back.
However it’s also true that those affected should be free to push for a future change that puts ECM back in a good place for everyone, including solo hunters. Perhaps changing the RNG nature of ECM would be a good approach. Simply telling those dissatisfied with the change to ‘stop whining’ is not acceptable.
This change was enacted because people complained about being on the receiving end of it. But it looks like it’s only complaining/whining if you go against what he personally wants. It’s like the difference between “freedom fighters” and “terrorists”. What label you use depends wholly on which end you want victorious.
If you liked the change and what it did for the game, you’re entitled to your opinion and vindication. If you don’t think the change worked, you’re whining and it’s done and over so get over it. After all, you can’t change something after it’s been changed. Things don’t change around here, except when they do.
The real reason for this change, pushed on fast forward, was not an urgent “re-balance” for a 15 years old game mechanic, but was actually intended as a quick fix for the coming of new abyssal 1 vs 1 instances.
They foresaw the problem of getting stuck in a stalemate because one or the both players involved can use ECM, so the devs decided that this kind of change will solve at least partial the issue (as you already saw there are still other scenarios when the stalemate can occur, and they need to fix it in a future patch).
My guess is that was not at any moment their intention to discuss and listen to any feedback because the scope of ECM mechanic change was not to balance ECM modules, but to make ECM to not interfere with their further development of Abyssal content.
So the nerfing of Caldari EWAR line of ships was just a collateral damage from a more important project
@CCP_Falcon
Please give me back the millions of SP invested to max the ECM skills & ships…
Removing the ecm from the game was the most stupid solution brough to a problem regardless the context. Instead of changing the balance between defending str vs the attacking ECM str, you guys removed the most fun thing from the game for some players.
For the patch it says “now the jammed target will have the chance to fightback”. Well the jamming target isn’t fit to fight anything anyway, the only thing he can do is to jam, so now we now need to give the jamming ship the chance to fight back aswell. The jammed target can fight back with no penalty on anything, while the jamming ship is the obvous primary for anything he is jamming and will be vaporised in seconds.
PS : Now ECM drones are more powerfull then full ECM falcon. The jamming falcon will be fough back with no penalty, scrambled immediately and wont be able to warp out even he has 100% jamm on his target. Now when you are jammed by a ship with ecm drones, you will have to target ecm drones 1 by 1 to kill them and be able to target the real ship owning the ecm drones Excelent idea again !
Still viable in small gang fleets or larger fleets, just not 1v1 like you all are begging for to come back… show up with a small fleet. While 3 ships are targeting and hitting the one ship you are ganking or going after, you have him jammed, so he can’t target and take them out only you, odds of you dying compared to him, minimal at best.
you don’t want your SP from the ECM, you can always extract them.
Did you ask for all the command ship sp?
Did you ask for all the titan sp?
Did you ask for all of the Super sp?
Every ship and many modules has been changed over time.
SP isn’t given back for balancing. You should be more concerned with adapting and less concerned with whining about some SP you won’t ever get back.
In the first place this change was made using as excuse the whining from people like you, unable to adapt to a 15 years old game mechanic: “Please nerf ECM, it make us feel bad and useless”
If is one bad thing about some EVE players, is that biggest whiners are projecting a lot on the forums about their inability to play, demanding game changes to be forced upon others… After that their whines was listened they come to preach about adaptation… Is plain hilarious, as in their warped thinking is the others who always need to adapt
So do you not believe that after 15 years, and mechanics that are that old in the game, should and need to be updated??
Hilmar himself said the graphics is from 2007 and other aspects of the game are from 2003. sometimes to update things, some things have to change. I don’t use ECM, so this never applied to me, but I do appreciate the fact i can now kill gurista’s who nonstop jam.
Just seems like no matter WHAT it is, people have to whine about changes made. Yes it messes with the playstyle of everyone, but in the long run I think most of the changes happening will be for the better of the game. Isn’t that what everybody really wants, the game to keep lasting another 15 years?? It cannot be the same 15 year old mechanics to go forward another 15 years.
Even you don’t seems so convinced about your thin argumentation. EVE have it’s distinct “character”, if you change that fundamental characteristics, then will not be the same game anymore.
So changes made for the sake of change don’t stand up as a valid argument… ECM change was made in a rush, without a proper plan to overhaul Caldari EWAR ships. Was just a “let’s throw this and see how we can fix the mess in next months”. That is not the proper way to balance game mechanics, ever.
So you can throw on the plate how many post-factum rationalizations you want, is not gone change the obvious fact that was a cursory improvisation, made to meet the anti-stalemate mechanics from new abyssal duel arenas.
Do you mean people like me that actually play the game or people like you that have a couple shuttle deaths.
You do understand that ECM does nothing to a shuttles offensive capabilities right?
@Biade_Runner Why are you whining so much when you don’t even use ECM and it hasn’t been used on you…ever?
I would think that people who trained for titan so they could AOE several AU through a cyno are the biggest losers from balancing updates. But you think it is you with your shuttle skills? How many SP could you have anyway? You only started 5 months ago…and with the way you whine i’ll bet you don’t buy skill injectors.
While your ONE SHIP is targeting and hitting the ship you are going after, you have his TWO FRIENDS jammed, so they can’t target and take YOU out, the odds of you dying compared to him, WERE reasonable but not guaranteed considering the chances of a missed jam.
NOW - You have ZERO CHANCE in this fight because the 2 ecm modules that would give you a chance in this fight still allow the enemy to attack you and just don’t work anymore.
So you have nothing else to say, like some logical argumentation. Gotcha.
By the way, are you Brisc alt? He was missing an unusual long time from this thread, and you seem to pick the torch from him into dismissing people concerns versus ECM cripple…
Excelent idea again !
