I guess disbursments like that could reach 100m+ per player if they were to get serious about botting. Personally 20m doesnt mean much to me. Ive made that in loot off one mission before. Loot drops in pvp.
It wasnt the economic impact I was going for in the sharing after a ban, it was knowing your clone was biomassed by clone gods and everything you worked for be given freely to all but you.
All confiscated assets should be destroyed, and their market value detracted from the botters wallet, except for those that have been sourced with cash from CCP, like PLEX and extractors. Iām ambivalent on whether cash SKINS/apparel are re-sold on the market.
Youāre correct. 20 million ISK is practically nothing to us Eve veterans who have already established multiple sources of revenue whether it would be in industry, mission running, market trading, etc.
But to an newbro who is just starting out with an alpha account, 20 million is a lot. Thatās a boat load of Rifters or Incursus to burn through or a nice down payment on a Daily Alpha Injector if they pool enough ISK together from their alt accounts.
To me, the best option is to destroy it all. Delete the ISK and assets that were confiscated. Never to be seen again.
Agreed.
They are ill-begotten assets and should never have existed in the first place.
Destroy them, and subtract them from the botters wallet to put them in debt.
PLEX/Extractors and other cash bought assets should however be re-introduced to the market.
Whatās one of these?
People who insist that the Sept. 11 2001 attacks were all a massive false-flag operation conducted by the US Government.
āIt was only the most complex and flawlessly executed conspiracy plan in all of history!ā -G.W. Bush, South Park
Please stop derailing.
When someone asks what an earlier post that was on-topic meant, and their question gets answered, thatās hardly a derailing.
I know of a reformed botter who got banned for a few days 5 years ago. He accepted the punishment and reformed his ways- no more botting.
He became a highly skilled character, always accepting that the character could never be sold which was the punishment at the time.
He bought some skill extractors and found these could not be used as a further retrospective punishment had been applied to the account.
So he now has a character that cannot be resold or the skills re-positioned or sold.
So CCP were happy to take the sub for 5 years from this reformed character then kick him in the balls with the new rules applied in March.
This IMO is akin to pulling all the jailed and released people back into prison because the law changed now.
I agree with tighter penalties now but retrospective justice?- that just sucks and he is about to biomass a 7 year old toon because from his point of view its useless as all flexibility enjoyed by most characters has been lost.
Before the comment is madeā¦serves him rightā¦that is a point of view but he accepted the CCP punishment so why try & hurt him further and potentially CCP loses the revenue he gladly gave them for 5 years moving forward.
Why biomass a trained character? Makes no sense whatsoeverā¦
I think you need to see this from his point of view. Iād feel the same if Iād done my time then was thrown back into prison 5 years later because the rules changed now. I think that a 5 year period of sticking by the rules is enough to convince CCP that the original ban worked in reforming his way and certainly there is no need to extend that punishment.
Or from my point of view.
Permanent ban.
Hey I am all against botting. I got ganked by a guy multiplexing 20 accounts in a 5.0 systems between Ammar and Dodixe just last night. Lesson learned, CODE cheats and nothing is done to them,. All bots reported and I am sure nothing will be done. I dont mind being ganked legit by a fleet. But getting ganked by one guy flying 20 accounts all firing at once, nah that aint right.
Sounds like youāre talking about Jason Kusion. He usually hangs out in Uedama/Sivala these days, which would be the place you get ganked between Amarr and Dodixie if youāre not getting hit in Niarja/Madirmilire. Heās streamed himself on Twitch performing his multibox ganking before, heās not hiding anything. Heās also not input broadcasting/multiplexing, man. Heās actually firing all of those 10 to 20 stealth bombers manually, believe it or not.
Look up EVE-O Preview, itās a legit window-switching program with CCP developer assistance and approval that helps multiboxers manage multiple client windows more easily than just the EVE clients and Windows will allow. Itās kinda the authorized replacement for ISBoxer, if you will.
Edit: ah, I see the kill youāre talking about, Navy Domi earlier in August. Manā¦ 2 black eagle DLAs? ā¦ take a page out of the incursioner handbook: avoid the double-gank-pipe whenever possible (you can fly from Dodi to Hek to Rens to Amarr, btwā¦ itās further, but safer, area-around-Hek-excepted)ā¦ and TRAVEL FIT your shiny battleships. Swap in some t2 hull mods + DC in your lows, LSEs and resist mods in your mids. shield/hull tank it up, make them bring 3x as much to gank you.
I donāt think a better fit and the traffic routes to avoid it are what heās getting at, Sylvia. the multiboxer problem isnāt the same as it was when ISBoxer was around, but itās adapted since EVE-O preview. it doesnāt violate the multi-boxing policy, which is true. but I wonder if it does still violate the EULA. considering heās using so many accounts at the same time to have a large disruptive effect on the player base.
If it would actually not be a violation, I would wonder why. Itās not at all that dissimilar from the guys using dozens of alts to cloak camp entire regions of the game, negatively effecting the game play of hundreds possibly even thousands of players using a single interface. I would find what these players are doing to still gives them an unfair advantage over any player that happens to come through that gate, or in case of the camper alts lives in that region. something the multi-box policy was designed to prevent, and a disruption of other players gameplay, the EULA specifically forbids
Multiboxing, while worth discussing, is not botting and the discussion doesnāt belong here.
As long as multi-boxing is allowed, botting will continue unabated. While multi-boxing is indeed not botting, it is inherently linked to botting and is indeed the single most contributing factor to successful botting. Therefore, if botting is to be discussed, multi-boxing must also be included in any such discussion.
correlation does not imply causation
Nor is causation being stated. What is being stated is that while multiboxing is a thing the difference between a multiboxer and a bot ring is very hard to tell.
If there was no multiboxing then bot rings are far more visible and easy to catch.
If one cannot tell the difference between botting and a multi-box fleet then perhaps one needs to do a little more research before stating causes/solutions, no?