Dev blog: The Goo must flow: Everything about Refineries and Moon mining

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@Coralas

Rorqs operate optimally in the largest anoms, they certainly don’t in a moon field, its less of an advantage to have a rorq, and afaik they don’t dock at cheap citadels placed on remote moons - ie they’d have to field a tatara or a fortizar nearby to dock, and they’d lose the cover of their super umbrella to field them remotely.

Care to explain how a Rorq doesn’t rock in the moonfield created by a properly rigged Athanor? You do know that there is this thing called tethering which provides a lot of safety to any friendly ship near the structure, wether it is able to dock or not - right?

Anyhow:

@Coralas

IMO this change didn’t make much to the occupants of delve - they were already mining all the things, it did however make a big difference to the occupants of syndicate, since we

(1) can fix or mineral distribution issues with moon choices and

(2) now control our local resources because they are useless to people that don’t live here and

(3) can generally find things to do for more people per system, thus reducing the yawning gap in performance of a sov system vs an npc system in terms of the scale of organisation it can support.

ie its conceivable again that an alliance of power could arise by living and growing in npc null, in a way it really hasn’t been since the introduction of ihub generated anomolies.

Interesting point. I’m actually happy that while Lowsec was fked over, there are other small-ish enteties who find their playstyle buffed

@Coralas

This is wrong. My reading of the killboards says that everyone and his dog tried to field athanors and small pvp groups had a field day killing them. What is not at all prominent on killboards for athanors is pl or goons or other usual suspects. What is even more clear is the total absense of some sort of structured regional takeover of moon control by a large entity.

Not really sure how what you’ve cited relates to what you reply. On the contrary: the amount of small-group Athanor kills just proves that the small-time industrial has less of a chance to successfully anchor an Athanor than a POS before, because people will find it in time, it is much harder to defend and much less of a grind if found in the first 24 hours. So, the issue of the foothold is simple: the new mechanics offer no advantage for “the small guy” who wants to get out there and do moon mining. Upfront investment: higher now. Risk to be found and end up on Zkill: higher now. Workload: higher now. Exposure: higher now. Without saying that this is bad, it surely isn’t something the average small guy profits from. It is more likely that others get bored shooting Athanors and just let it be after a while. That’s EVE in 2017. Make things possible by making them so boring for so many people, that in the end someone will be able to do it without intervention. Lel.

@Coralas

GRR hat goon, with no evidence of your accusations beyond the most populous alliance having posters.

Yeah you are right, that was a bit stupid

Anyhow, I’m curious how Syndicate develops and I guess in a year or so it will be interesting to look at metrics for different kinds of space with possible relation to the moon goo changes.