It is great for yoloing in low with a single ancil and a hull buffer. That’s about it.
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Now I know the Ishtar & Myrm are picking up the slack I feel better about the VNI.
I still think the " elite PvP’ers " are just looking for easy kills, but there we go.
I don’t understand why the VNI is now suddenly immensely bad? It’s still ridiculously powerful compared to the ishtar with double its armour hp. It’s more or less the same and doesn’t diversify the range of ships used for ratting at all. It makes the ishtar look like a t1 ship, even the vexor has more hp. This isn’t a ‘nerf’ at all, it’s just amplifying the capability of the VNI and you’ve created a faction t2 without the skills.
The nerf is in the third gun, loss of second utility high, and loss of 5 heavies. It kills the cap, forces you into blaster range to get anywhere near the same amount of dps, makes you easier to defang, reduces damage projection, reduces engagement profile, removes heavy tackle from the list of roles the ship can preform.
It’s not that it’s
It’s that is really only good for yoloing now. It’s roles in fleets, null small gang, and everything to do with pve are all but completely gone. It’s only remaining use is solo and kitchen sink small gang type stuff, and for that you’re still better off bringing something faster that can shoot past the end of it’s nose.
will i get refund for the SKIN I bought for my ratting VNI as I can’t use the VNI for ratting anymore, This made me sad , also , we used the VNI as REMOTE REP drone boat for small gangs , which us now TOTALLY USELESS.
Thanks CCP (PA)
Lol. I used to rat with VNIs a lot and it sucks for ratting now, no questions asked.
BUT. Are you seriously saying this was nerf to PvP capabilities? Did you sniff coke? The VNI is now one of the heaviest brawlers in the game with a laughably low pricetag. Very few subcaps can take a properly fit VNI that got into brawling range.
I’d even say not a single other subcap with the same or lower pricetag can win.
we uses this as low SP replacement for RR Ishtar in small gang. the VNI had 3/4 (not sure now) remote reps in high slots and no guns etc. just remote reps. the feature gone now as the VNI need to fit guns to apply the same damage as it used to do with just drones.
rip ARR (Armor Remote Rep) VNI for RR gangs 
But now a single ancil repper does more than a t2 repper + ancil repper from the old VNI. Trades dps (if you opt for no guns) for cap and an extra lowslot + bonuses to speed and agility. Great change for solo pvp.
anyway RIP RR VNI
Well no ■■■■ genius! Alpha accounts are nothing more than a trial! You should have to pay! Wtf you think youre entitled to the game for free?! Cant afford $15 a month then stop playing video games and get your life and priorities in order!
Agreed
Once upon a time…
Also slowest, weakest cap (35s with two reps and 3 guns running hot, with injection and a nos without going prop on), horrible projection
Good luck with that.
irrelevant. If we want to use price to compare i can fly 3 vexors fit for the price of 1 vni and always win the resultant 3v1. Or 8-10 well fit frigs, that is dumb.
Half truth… When you rig for reps it does not. Now when you rig for reps you will be capped out so fast your head will spin, before the ancil runs out of paste even. Shuts down your guns and reps in 35 seconds flat. That’s with one nos and one injector. Where it now excels is with a single ancil rep over a hull buffer similar to how we fit a comet. This is a solo/yolo roam style fit, nothing more.
This vni would not want to brawl with an exe navy at or around the same price point. It would not want to land 30k off a cni or either oni. A phantasm can be had for around the same price point, and will eat the new vni. The old one would have no problem with those fights, hell the old vni would destroy this vni. It could also run two reps and two guns until the ancil ran out of paste and beyond. This change has already proven itself to be a nerf in all but one aspect. Yolo vni is the only vni.
You cannot compare pricetags by just assuming to use multiple cheaper ships instead. If you want to do that pls calculate the cost of plex and the lesser efficiency while multiboxing into the equation. As it stands VNIs are one of the strongest solo brawlers in the game. 1900m/s is not really fast but still ok for a cruiser-sized ship.
No Faction/T2-Ship beats an army of cheaper ships with the same combined prictag. Having a 100mil fitted cruiser that can solo kill almost any other 100mil ship in the game is still pretty good.
stabber can kill vni by itself because of speed and range control. Use drones&guns to defang the vni then just whittle away from barrage range staying way out of blaster range. stabber cost 30m fit.
Remember I am not the one that brought price into it. Price is not relevant for many reasons.
I notice you didn’t address the other matchups I mentioned as well.
I said it will win most 1v1 brawls pretty clearly and has a good shot at all other ships in a similar pricetag. Phantasms and ExecNavies are contenders but can be beat.
I soloed a Phobos+Deimos with my T2-Fit VNI the other day and won. Killed 1+b.
There is no other t1, navy or pirate cruiser in the game with an armor rep bonus and that really shows in 1v1.
Utter & complete horse manure, that did not happen. My Deimos can 1v2 (Might be able to take 3, I’d like to try 3 on sisi) the new vni absurdly easily. Destriouth Hollow has also never killed a deimos and phobos together. Only 3 phobos killmails in your entire history, 0 of which were in the last month, and 0 of which were paired with a deimos kill. In fact, as far back as Sep 29, 2018 0 phobos kills on this toon.
KMs or ■■■■■■■■.
If it did happen you either killed two snowflakes afk on the edge of tether on an empty station or unfit ships autopiloting to a gate. I suppose a third option is you killed some actual retarded people.
I did, however, find your vni fit (Vexor Navy Issue | Destriouth Hollow | Killmail | zKillboard), it’s complete garbage with 3 ccc’s trying to make up for the severe lack of capacitor that I predicted when this change was announced.
I knew this because it lost a second nos and gained a third gun losing incoming cap in favor of a cap draining gun. I called it, and it’s proven to be 100% accurate. in this configuration it reps less than the old one rigged for repping power, AND it had plenty of cap once both nos’s were engaged.
*Phantasm will force you to go prop on thus melting your cap and shutting down your reps.
*Exe navy does more dps with a thicker passive tank at the same ranges the vni operates at.
*You concede that the oni’s and cni can rape the new vni if the fight starts at a favorable range for them?
I have more than one PvP toon though. The phobos i killed was in lowsec with annother alt. I did not actually break the deimos, but the deimos couldnt break me either, even combined with the phobos. the phobos I killed was 1+bil.
The fit you found is not the fit I used to kill against phobos-deimos. I couldnt get rigs here after our moveops so I “retrofitted” a pve-VNI for some yolo ^^ Obviously CCC rigs are bad in pvp, but still better than no rigs at all ^^
Obviosly I concede that any pvp ship in eve dies, if it gets kited and cannot apply dmg, while running out of cap boosters at some point. Thats nothing special. If you don’t have a gate to jump, station to dock and run of cap boostery any brawler is dead meat.
On the exec navy though: After what you said I’m actually pretty sure Id beat your Exec fit with my VNI fit. I’d totally be willing to prove that to you on the testserver aswell. Rules: T2 fit, no implants
I’d be willing to do that. Got stuff going on tonight, but I’m down tomorrow.
You Should you rename this fit as “VNI RR Solo” if its for solo pvp
Calling it VNI -RR FLEET just makes people think its a fleet fit 
A local rep bonus is never a good bonus for big fleet doctrins ^^