Devblog: War Declaration Changes - The War Adjacent to Christmas

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The crying here is getting a bit pathetic.

First of all hisec is not a free for all place like nullsec, that you seem to want it to be so does not make it so.

This enables corps to develop grow and find their feet and then if they have a bit about them they can then put up an indy structure and take the risk of having a war dec, hopefully because they had the time to develop and grow they will be set up for it and will have the ability and the will to defend it.

Structures do have good content around them and people do defend them and will defend them if they are important to them and they feel that they can, you only have to look at Spectrum alliance and their wars as an example to see that where people have actually defended their structures against Spectrum because they are beatable. That certain war deckers don’t like to attack structures and moan about it is a bit sad, it is a strategic object in space that has value, that is the content.

Structures in hisec are too weak and people have been pointing this out for some time, just for you chaps that keep going on about one more nerf as if it was a religion or something.

What will happen is people will use holding corps for their structures, this enables them to keep playing even in war decs by having their mains in corps that do not have structures and meets the objectives set out by CCP. If they are up to war decs then they will more people into the structure corp to defend it and if not it gets blown up.

My feeling is that good bonus defended structures in hisec will have more importance to them and will become content drivers where people will gang up to defend a key one offering good prices and top performance.

The mass war deckers will have a slight hit in available targets but in truth very limited because most of their prey are nullsec players passing through.

I think that war decs in hisec will be fine with this change overall. The only thing I would change is require there to be a structure in hisec to actually declare a war in hisec… And I would allow people to ally even if they do not have a structure. The reason is that you want belligerent carebears to develop and making them jump through hoops to ally is not going to get them interested in PvP is it?

@Brisc_Rubal You are doing a good job don’t let the bitter ex-players stop you from posting on the forums, but as a heads up Saeger was in the war dec discord when you were in it as was I for a while and he has been active there at times. And if you want to get an opinion on things feel free to drop me a convo.

PS Re-subbed late November…, I have two clients open, one is currently in an Orca mining in hisec and the other in a Providence, so two Omega accounts.

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654

And did BDO get it from anyone before they used it? Generally speaking one can’t copyright an idea, like a circular battle arena who’s diameter is slowly decreasing. CCP could even have independently arrived at what seems a fairly simple idea, based on years of back and forth in these forums.

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Not really
2 bashes in a weeks time (99% of the time) is not good content

Not in HS, something something carebears.
Also see above

As for spectrum, being a member (despite not playing anymore), they don’t kill structures for fun or enjoyment

But you wouldn’t know that since you don’t even play either :joy:

656

Your comment supports the argument that wars are just an easy way to bash POS’s. At least now there is a better system to buffer this. Good job CCP!!!

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While I do like the changes so far, I would like to see what comes after. I spent a lot of time in high sec, and tried to get a couple corps started, however war decs generally killed them in infancy, this is a good work around to bring back the mission/indy/hangout corps that used to be around. That said, am i packing my stuff up, putting my carrier on contract and rushing back to high sec, no. Good first step, but there are a million other issues that would need to be addressed. This is however a good starter step to see what impact it has on people getting out of NPC corps, and I like it for that reason alone. I was one person that showed support for structure requirement for wars, and I do engage in a fair amount of pvp as I have time. The only thing I really see this changing is we now have our first look at what directions, and major changes are going to come with the new management, lets all take a breath, and see where the final iteration goes before lighting the torches.

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Vote on Plan A, Plan B or Other:

Plan A

  1. Receive notification of incoming WD.
  2. Transfer Structures to another Corp.

Plan B

  1. Receive notification of incoming WD.
  2. Wait for Structure to be attacked.
  3. Transfer Structures to another Corp.
  • A
  • B
  • Other

0 voters

*Can you transfer a structure that’s under attack?

659

Wardec corps love to hit defenceless things…
So give them All these useless structures spreaded all over hisec…

And do a favor for hisec cleaning all these things.

660

Thank you for the answer. Pedro and me will hopefully manage to free you from the need to go through the thousands of absolutely stupid ideas out there, by turning them obsolete with an actually good one.

Though, to be fair, feedback for improvement was lacking … and to be even fairer, my execution was lacking just as much.

I assume that, as it’s going to be going as I wanted it (several iterations), I believe there’s room for an actually Big One ™.

Man … this whole thing took way too long. Thanks, we’ll be bothering you again!

661

the dev blog does not seem to address transfers during wardecs, and I admit I would like to see a change there, you shouldn’t be able to transfer structures to end a war, or a corp or two will start swapping structures every time they get decced just to end the war.

662

Not if you’re at war

663

Just to be clear. You CAN transfer if you’re at war but NOT under attack?

*I don’t own structures yet.

664

That is your feeling, just your opinion, something that is not shared by others if the structure is defended, ask Omar about that, he can put you right.

Spectrum Alliance have had a number of people fight them, it is on their killboard.

It is content, and fun and enjoyable content can occur if they are defended, is that so difficult for you to get your head around? :roll_eyes: Yeah I guess it is…

It is a strategic asset which has value, and over time more of them will be defended by carebears with pointy teeth. Not my fault that they are too tough for you!

I don’t understand you replying to me either, as I hurt your sensitivities which makes you cry and you run off to cry harassment when I reply back to you.

665

No. You can’t transfer a highsec structure once a war is declared. No attack is necessary. Well, I believe you can transfer it to another Corp in the same alliance.

You can start decommissioning a structure after a war is declared, but it takes 7 days to complete and if it comes under attack, the unanchoring stops.

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666

The second you’re at war, you’re stuck with the structures you owned prior

No transferring until the war is over.

667

1%

See the thing you quoted for reference

Which they aren’t 99% of the time

I’m repeating myself because you can’t admit I’m right lol

Why aren’t people defending them then?
cough 99%

Your insecurity shows fam
It’s the only reason you’d try to act like someone superior to the person you’re being argumentally smacked by :smiley:

I am a content creator, you’re a consumer.
That’s all I really need to add about you.

668

Something I need to point out to you over and over, hisec is not a free for all place like nullsec, that you seem to want it to be so does not make it so.

Nothing makes any sense there, just a blast of your feelings, personal inadequacies and butt hurt over these changes, and the mere fact that I posted of course :stuck_out_tongue:

669

Take the empires and Concord away, you end up with nullsec

Highsec is more of a FFA area vs low and null. Why?
-No major organized alliances
-people don’t give a rat’s ass about others
-people don’t want to team up
-people all want to own their own little patch
-people leave clutter all over the place
-Jita

I think it’s safe to say that the real FFA area is HS, not null where groups are tightly organized (for the most part)

I mean, if HS wasn’t a FFA zone, why would your alliance even go there to gank people? :thinking:

Oof x10
And please keep your off-topic QQ for yourself :wink:

670

Do you believe all of that?

LOL…, you are trolling Arrendis!

That is not off topic, because the mere fact that you have war decs where CONCORD looks the other way suggests that it is not a free for all place…

In fact your arguments remind me of the: “What have the Romans ever done for us?” question in the life of Brian.

Like this, you say a person that no one cares to remember and yet you then mention part of his name as you obviously care to remember. Weird…

Are you trying to harass me? Implying that I am not allowed to edit my posts if I want to? Next thing I know you will suggest I am bipolar or something weird like that just to make you feel better.

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671

Just remove wardecs entirely

672

Repeating yourself won’t make it any more true.
Sounds like a thing that one guy no one cares to remember did when he was being proven wrong

Salvlad :joy:

P.s. all those edits
Are you an impulsive poster @Dracvlad ? :thinking:

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