Did The Goons Use CSM Connections For The Heist?

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(Ikshuki) #1

We all know what happened these past few weeks. The goons just destroyed the CO2 Alliance after having spies provoke a player make a death threat getting him IP banned from the game, accomplishing the goal of the biggest heist in eve history. But considering that the Goons has most the pull in the CSM council, one has to wonder, did the goons use their connections to have the CEO banned? If so, should ccp consider updating the rules and mechanics of the CSM that keeps members in check by having an in-game petition mechanic to where you have to get 60% the active omega accounts to agree to vote members out if the playerbase is displeased with a member’s actions? I mean, in real life, this is how real politics works, you have bribery, you have manipulation, rules that you go by, as well as consequences to a politician’s actions that can land them out of office, why not have a similar system that keeps the CSM system in check by the players themselves? because, when you have a group of bad players making bad decesions that’s unhealthy for the game, we should be able to vote them out as we would in real life


(Bjorn Tyrson) #2

Csm does not dictate who ccp bans or not. They may have a voice, and some influence over development but if the past few years have shown us anything it’s that ccp rarely if ever actually listens.

If the CSM as a whole struggles to even get the concerns they are supposed to be there for addressed. What makes you think that a portion of the CSM (because not everyone is a goon) would have any say at all in something that is well beyond their purview?


(Arcanith Lionheart) #3

What? Isn’t CSM like, a player with a voice most likely to be heard by CCP? I am pretty sure CSM as a player can still do what he wants, otherwise if we put rules in CSM all the big alliances that have CSM will be like “Ok, I can trust this guy to keep an eye on all my assets and wallet and everything else without ever worrying of being backstabbed”

Also you’re bringing up the ban again which will make the topic closed soon, but you only have the CEO himself to blame for doing those threats in the first place, it was not the CSM’s fault that one guy didn’t know the difference between IRL threats and ingame threats.

The game allows you to be a slimey backstabbing weasel, and CCP has a whole video about it that they posted 7 years ago.

Can’t afford to loose it? Don’t fly it. And that applies to corporations and alliances, cause this is one game where you take years to build up something only to loose it in a few days.

But in the end, its just a game bruh.


(Linus Gorp) #4

To the members of CO2,

I’ve been a member in CO2 for 5 years. Half a decade. Even in EVE this is a long time. I started as a normal member in Redhogs, moved to Balkan Mafia as a Diplomat and eventually took over as Head Diplomat for CO2. The first few years in CO2 were marked with a few bumps, but overall it was amazing. We were growing and our leadership was upbeat and well manned.

This started to change after World War Bee. We lost a number of key members of leadership and most of what was left went inactive. I will admit, I started to become more and more consumed with CSM duties so I didn’t give as much attention to the alliance itself from that point on, but one reason was more impacting than any… gigX projected his hate of CCP and how they were developing the game onto me. After all, the CSM works with CCP which in most peoples minds makes us close enough to get as much hate as developers themselves.

After everything I’d dealt with over the last 18 months, what pushed over the edge? The breakdown of Legacy. I was in Iceland walking down a street with BRAVE leadership member Yukiko Kami when I got a ping from gigX with the now famous Doomchincilla leaks. Yukiko had no idea himself, but soon it was confirmed from his side just as it was mine. I was shocked that things could fall apart so spectacularly so quickly, and was frustrated that we (CO2) had taken this route. I had asked our leadership to calm down and not blow up our coalition. Both sides (TEST+complacent alliances / CO2) were at fault, taking blue status from people we each didn’t like and making moves without informing each other.

gigX has expressed his wish to disband CO2 for many months now, driving away good corps who found out like Totally Into Spaceships. What did these corps, who were loyal and simply lost faith in their leadership get in return? They were ■■■■ talked in private channels, undermined and even one was removed for wanting a meeting with gigX to boost their morale and understand what was happening. Good people treated badly. That is something I can’t keep turning a blind eye to. Aryth from Goonswarm offered me an out, and I’m taking it.

Why did I do it this way? Partly because of how much I’ve put into CO2 and wanting to leave with something to show for it. Partly because gigX needs to let CO2 die and move on with his life. Partly because some of these corps that have been removed deserve some of their effort back themselves. While I know people will hate me for this action purely because of the fanatical culture that exists in CO2, I want you to know that my aim was never to hurt the line member of CO2. Maybe one day we will fly together again, but it won’t be under the leadership of gigX.

-The Judge

Where did Goonswarm destroy CO2? Do you really believe The Judge is a Goon spy?

If anyone destroyed CO2, it was gigX. All that Goonswarm did was offer The Judge a way out that he took. No master level spy turncoating, no manipulating. Goonswarm is blowing the story up to epic proportions again and twist statements around so many corners to produce pure propaganda that people like you will pick up and spread as “the true story”, despite reality being totally different.

It was just the same with Band of Brothers. Haargoth was a guy bored with the game, not some master level Goonswarm spy. He approached them, not the other way around and the “spymaster” Mittani wasn’t involved with the BoB disbanding at any remotely serious level, despite him spinning it around like he was the mastermind orchestrating it all.

You really should start reading, comprehending and thinking about topics, OP, instead of eating downright terrible propaganda like it’s undeniable truth.


(ISD Fractal) #5

(ISD Fractal) #6

Rumor mongering is prohibited, so is any discussion of warnings and bans. Thread closed.