Discussion Of The Implications Of Niarja's Invasion

You never answered the outstanding question, though. You alluded to your opinion that staying in an NPC corp wasn’t a reasonable option, then you said you were a solo player. These two statements don’t make much sense together.

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Because I enjoy having a range of alts in a single, solo corporation. All doing different stuff, for a common goal. I get a lot of satisfaction from it, it keeps me playing. Some mine, some rat, some venture into low sec or worm holes, but all under one umbrella. I have offices where it is convenient to me, and a presence in all four major factions, so can go Gallente or go Amarr when I feel like it, minimum hassle, with a mix of Omegas and Alphas, all very casual. I recognise that it is not the mainstream Eve style, but it suits me, and I seem to recall someone once describing the game as a sand box…

The old war dec mechanism was the only thing that ever threatened my commitment to the game, and it is now long dead. It amuses me when some people whine about it being killed off, then accuse others of whining about other changes :slight_smile:

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What if the trigs are here because of the wardec changes?

Right back at ya :wink:

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The system got changed because players like you whined about it (which you’re now rubbing in our faces).

And now you’re whining about the trigs.

Whining seems to be an institution for you.

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That does not even make sense. What is the cause and effect you are postulating? CCP chose to get rid of war decs after years of debate. Separately, and some time later, they come up with all this Triglavian nonsense. I fail to discern any linkage, and I think you possibly give too much credence to the idea that there is any form of controlling genius masterminding game development anymore… I am not whining about the Triglavian, just it is something that holds zero interest or appeal to me. My only worry about the Niarja situation - but it is a big worry - is that this scale of disruption to a lot of paying customers may screw the game if too many walk. I am not going to walk over Niarja, but others probably will, and that is not good for Eve.

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As is trolling for you.

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A cop-out response, as is expected from someone who shuts off the game for a week when a war comes in.

CCP only got rid of wardecs because they were highly asymmetric and didn’t seem fair to the victims. It was pretty obvious that new players were quitting over it.

However, Eve has always been in favor of destruction - so the compensation for getting rid of wardec destruction was to introduce Triglavians, which do mostly the same thing as wardeccers, but without the smack talk and the Jita station camping.

That is the relationship between wardecs and Triglavians.

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I have multiple JF capable pilots, let the amarr market wars begin!

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Yeah this word should be deleted out of every single document regarding EvE

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Whatever you say, boss.

You think it should be fair?

CCP did some analysis and found the economy was too fat and that risk reward was broken. The trigs were born from that.

I doubt many players are going to quit after niarja falls. Some feckless and lazy, but not many.

Did you know that after the wardec changes player activity went down and since the trig invasion intensified it went up?

Vort was confused. I was trying to explain it to him.

I do not fully understand it, but a huge portion of the playerbase obviously prefers to get ganked by NPCs, rather than other players. It blows my mind.

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Ok, just seemed like it being unfair was bad, the way you wrote it.

I stand erected

Question then is whether the change in level of destruction in high sec before and after the change in war declarations was really that significant? I should have thought the main source of destruction was, and remains, ganking. After all, even if the gank fails, the gankers still lose their ships. How many Catalysts and Thrashers do they get through a day? How many ships are actually now being lost to Triglavians in high sec?

If Niarja falls, it will not increase the level of destruction - people will just have to find a new route. That risks them getting bored, at 40 jumps instead of nine, not risking them getting destroyed. Maybe I am missing something, but I do not see this leading to a real increase in risk, as opposed to irritation…

Just like a carebear to view everything in terms of quantity instead of quality.

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It should not be possible to just stay in highsec forever. CCP keeps trying to get people to try the other parts of space. What CCP doesn’t seem to understand is that a huge number of players would rather make 100 jumps through highsec then risk even one jump into an empty lowsec system.

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I hope you are right.

We have also had all the skilling sprees and other assorted continual bribes, plus this year, covid. Not entirely convinced that any rise in activity can be laid at the door of the Triglavians…

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The trigs themselves are the risk.

Niarja falling lowers the reward.

All true.

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