Been there, done that, no t-shirt.
i do belive you would make more in the long term if you lowered the price 5 bucks and set out on a push to get more new players when was your last push to find new (real) people not just set things up to where the same now economically straped fokes need more accounts but thats just my $0.02
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Imagine being completely oblivious to how business works and then spouting your snark on a website about, what is generally perceived as, a terrible business decision.
Search econ 101 on Amazon
And when I unsub 4 accounts, for example, Iām not saving āItS jUsT 5 dOlLaRsā, Iām saving 80. And that 80 can go towards something I see as an 80 dollar value.
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like food and fuel, sadly these days ,ā¦ seems there will be no fun left in life for many
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cancelled all my auto subscriptions as well.
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Right, they are bragging to the share holders and saying we have x number of subscriptions and raising the base price by 25% so we should see our revenue grow. But, what they are not telling the shareholder is how many subscriptions they lost due to this price increase. This was not a simple $5 price increase. This was a $5 per account increase which most players sub at least 2 account and most sub 3 to 4 accounts.
TLDR : CCP, Donāt overestimate your products and yourself. You are providing JUST AN ONLINE GAME. Donāt misunderstand relations between you and us. You are just one of SUPPLIERS of entertainment content and we are just CONSUMERS. You are pretty much arrogant about this for recent few years. This is purely a matter of the trust. Fire all of your current marketing teams and hire new guys.
I myself havenāt paid real cash for over 2 years since CCP forces us to pay for the cost of subscription in our local currency ( yen ), which is recently considered vulnerable. I canāt select USD as a payment option, thereby being unable to use my foreign currency deposit in USA for it.
The 33% price increase seemingly has infuriated US citizens, meanwhile we are facing the 53% price increase for a month bill.
This is the list of old/new price and the diff, both in yen and USD.
This is literally horrifying idea. Even if you had to adjust the local price into the current exchange rate, you could have done that little by little, over the years.
Well, the world was thrown into an uproar by the war, and the sanction is confusing the whole global economy. We are suffering from inflation. People are struggling to deal with skyrocketing bills every day. So, Do you understand that you are not daily necessities supplier. You are just an game developer, one of the entertainment contents which is not necessarily needed.
Those unnecessarily expenses are primary candidates to get cut off from the household budget first. I understand the global economy has been growing for the past 20 years and the need to raise the price at some point. But did you really think this is the best timing that players accept ? Didnāt you even have an option to, as I have said above, raising it little by little ? Have you ever really had delusions that players are being hopeful for the future of this game and will be willing to pay extra 33 ~ 53% cost right in the middle of total chaos era ?
How did the Dust 514 end ? Did you complete your blueprint to integrate MMO environment with FPS ? You didnāt.
Where did the Project NOVA go ? Although I know itās canceled, there are still no announcement of new follows of it youāve started the development for 3 years.
When do we see the deliverable of Aether Wars ? It could have contributed the EVEās TQ server performance though, at least it doesnāt seem to be PRād.
What kinds of gameplay and storylines with triglavian invasions did you eventually want to introduce into the game ? Could you tell me the reason the pochven is implemented and itās left incomplete implementation ?
Why do you refuse to communicate with community bases ? Why do your CEO answered to Japanese game mediaās interview for talking about ludicrous nonsense of NFT, which should be denied in the official statement 3 months later ? Why didnāt you use your words towards medias but to communities first ?
These are just a few examples why you are losing trusts from your consumers. The reasons you are losing login users every year. Cause of protests to every single movement you have made in the recent few years.
Breaking your own promises, selling SP and spaceships directly, implying to introduce NFTs and relentless attempts to get this game to P2W mechanisms. You eventually went so far as to defile the lore with the Dr. WHO the ā ā ā ā nonsense. You are destroying any advantages that eve had so far. Youāve been changing this special game into ordinary and boring P2W anti-consumer BS.
So now letās be back to the price. Apparently you want users to purchase as much long terms of subscriptions as possible, considering the pricing curve yeah ? And perhaps you did this based on assumption people would do so. You are utterly a dumb.
People are not trusting you CCP anymore because of your silly attitude and arrogance towards your products and consumers. People simply donāt believe this game worth for extra 33~53% cost. We simply donāt value this game anymore to make 2 year payment in advance. I am to be honest not confident to believe this game is still alive in 2 years to be honest.
Just face the reality that ordinary players have been considering this game doesnāt worth even for current $15 monthly bills. If not, you would have been still maintaining 40k daily players peak as of now.
I donāt know what the hell is going on in your company. But itās for sure that you are overestimating the value of your products and yourself. You are not god of your own world. You are making online game, just a form of entertainment contents. You are online game developers and we are consumers of the service. Nothing more, nothing less.
If people donāt feel your products worth, they leave. Thatās it. Iāve never used this word in the forum. But let me say. ā ā ā ā you hilmar. ā ā ā ā you CCP. Stop being arrogant.
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i just did the same
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You lack a broad view on things. Eve has always been more expensive or the equivalent of other games. The difference is that EVE is a grind to gain and lose it permanently when you lose it. Top that with the fact that most players have at least 2 subbed accounts, and pay twice as much as other games. Add a dash of nerfing the hell out of the rewards systems, while doing little to address farmers and botter and hurting the average player. Then throw in a price increase to top it off. Well guess what, that camels back is not strong enough and we donāt work to play. We play the game for reward, satisfaction. If its a job, whats the point? I am sorry I am not going to continue to pay to work. I donāt mind paying to play a game for the fun and reward.
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thanks for shareing.
too bad ccp dont care, dont read or anything here.
they are not even listen to CSM so beside the poor mods who have to keep order here somehow no one is reading here at all. soā¦
too bad.
if playercount would drop below 10k maybe there would be something happen before the lights went out at the office, but even that i doubt.
besides i dont belive ppl will just go in such numbers so fast.
So we will never know if that would make an impact at all.
wellā¦ i did read enoght here for today, see you tomorrow ;3
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CSM HAHHAA YEAH ! like you or anyone in the game picks them āranked votingā is a bigger scam then the U.S.A. 2020 elections HAHHAA
No they donātā¦ Pearl Abyss does. CCP sold out years ago.
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it went the route of the crapper b4 thatā¦
The Koreans told them not to use the patch they decided to use as it will kill their gameā¦
Trion or whoever it was originally did so before founders day, oh yeah and Founders day, the early access for founders also was a disaster as they couldnt even keep non-founders out of the log in que since they couldnt log in anyway.
makes a lot of sense dont it? now watch how they brag about growth and profit in the future while spinning us a fairy tale worth shelling out that kinda cash for shrugs time will tellā¦
Actually the argument that CCP gives also includes inflation too as a large driverā¦which pretty much effects everything for everyone.
When they did the adjustment for subs a while back, people said the same thing. There is never a good time.
If you are not getting good value then quit. End of story. If they raised the price when the timing was better as per the last argument, would the value all of a sudden be better? No. It would still be a poor value to you soā¦THAT is the real issue.
No itās not stupid as a coffee or a game come out of ones āfrivolousā fund/account. That needs to remain the same regardless of price increasesā¦itās basic home economics.
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Here is the issue I see with your ideas and postsā¦
1.) it takes X number of man hours collecting resources to produce stuff, even gank ships.
2.) Typical miners, especially in HS, dont like to be on voice comms, dont like being told what to do, how to do it, etc.
3.) Same Typical miners, especially in HS, want their cash now, want you to always do things for them, want SRP, want anti-gank protection, want neuts moved out of the belts, yet dont like your rules, dont like 90% of Jita buy, get mad quit your corp and leave the game forever 2 months later as they find they can not do what they want on their own.
4.) Some (a very small demographic) of Combat Pvprās that have never mined or done PI, or anything industrial have your attitude, and do not understand 1 iota of the true scale of the EvE economy and its nuancesā¦and neither do the CCP Devs.
I personally would love not to multibox in a lot of casesā¦but
As more players quitā¦
As less players enter the gameā¦
The MORE CCP screws with OUR player economyā¦
The more I have to do to keep current customers happyā¦
Maintain my groups own ganker suppliesā¦
Plan for possible future wardecs (taking the offensive), and with less and less of a playerbase to put butts in the seats of combat ships.
So you want to stop multiboxingā¦cool
PICK UP a pickaxe(a mining ship) shut up and listen to the corp your in ā¦and get collecting some oreā¦
Otherwise, you dont have anything worth talking about.(unless you are a ganker/pvpr that has to mine and build to get your ships and gear)
Thank you both for your service! I too am a vet on disability and just resubbed 2 omegaās 9 days ago with the plan of resubbing my 3rd next month. That plan has just been put on hold. I did listen to CCP Paragonās Q/A so am holding off on making any rash decisions until we see what these āgreat plansā are.
@CCP I am a cynical vet, was around for the Nexus/Arum fiasco, unsubbed late 2013 and came back on an alpha 3 weeks ago. After the reading Iāve been doing regarding the past 2-3 years, I do not have a lot of confidence in your āpromisesā.
There is a saying ā@@@@ (Defecate) in one hand, wish/hope in the other hand and see which hand fills firstā.
Path of Exile has a new expansion coming mid-may, so I may be going right back. Oh and btw they do 4 expansions/year and itās F2P.
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CCPā¦you all must be not wanting to work and make money any more to pay for your bills and food and all that stuff needed in real lifeā¦ because with stuff like this your going to suicide the game, kill, it, no players paying for the sub that is your paychecks ā¦because i know i wont be subbing any moreā¦iv played this game for 18 years and nowā¦after this im doneā¦
i will pay $25 for 3 months on xbox and play as many games as i want for them 3 months for $5 more that 1 month on eveā¦you mess up the indy and other stuff and then in less than a year you drop thisā¦ROFLMMFAO!!! you all are jokingā¦o wait i forgot CCP is under new ownership that dont care about what ppl think but only about themselvesā¦i would rather play on a Atari than pay this much as ā¦
i was getin a group; together in my area to play eveā¦but not now we will go to XBox or somethingā¦
how self centered, can someone getā¦well i will tell you after i watch eve burn and die then ill point at you all an say there is a prime example and the record holder so far to date of just that
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āGreed is Goodā - Hilmar Veigar PĆ©tursson
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