Yeah this is the problem i have with diversity hiring
ANY role you’re filling should be filled by the BEST candidate for the roles based on their experience, skills and how well they will do the job, not because they tick a random inclusivity box
If you were having brain surgery would you want the most experienced most highly trained doctor who was #1 in their field or would you want #5882 just because they happened to have the right pronouns the hospital was looking for who doesn’t have the same level of experience performing that procedure?
The thing is that these roles are usually filled by one gender because they are the people who generally engage in this education. I can see the motivation behind hiring more women from that field even though there aren’t a lot of women. You create demand for the position so that hopefully more women apply to study this field/get educated in this field. A noble goal.
However, in typical stupid corporate fashion, organizations they screw this noble goal up and pervert it. Instead of fostering the education more to actually create more opportunities for women to get the necessary level of experience and education to be productive workers, they hire anyone to fulfill some quota, which of course backfires because it causes issues, unnecessary friction and a bad image on women in that field, which in turn disincentivises more women from wanting to start out in this field. Just plain dumb decision-making making everything worse for no reason whatsoever.
But this issue is in no way limited to women quotas. EVE would benefit immensely if it had more developers like Karkur or Punkturis and fewer like certain current lead producers. It’s a whole mess, completely independent from genders.
Now, while i’m against the woke pronouns, thats just normal english uses of their and them, you have always been able to describe something as “theirs” although them is less commonly used, we have always used “them” to describe someone, “can you help them find what they are looking for” etc
I find it somewhat confusing, English is not my first language and reading “them/they” feels like “Wait, was there more than one person? Did I miss that?”.
“But, how you dare to assume it was a He or a She?”
“How you dare to assume that I should give a hoot of it? It was some random stranger I would never meet again!”
I was taught it was technically incorrect to use they/them to refer to a single person in school, but it has been commonplace for myself and others to use it that way since at least the mid 90’s in the United States. It’s not new, and other than your pedantic English teacher, nobody was going to bat an eye if you used the pronouns that way.
Well, American people are a minority of English speakers and most people who speak English (as first, second or third language as my case) don’t live in the USA and aren’t used to however English is spoken there.
“The cat is out, bring them in” might make sense to you, but is confusing when the reader doesn’t knows how many animals are involved (do they have a cat and a dog, both outdoors? Or is just the cat? Who and what are “them”?)
You are correct. They / them is plural. Either as a generalized “they” … or a specific group of people.
In slang / uneducated usage it’s been common to use the term for an individual, but as others have pointed out, English teachers would get on their students to stop using it that way.
I do empathize with people who use the term that way since the alternatives for a neutral term aren’t great. Our teachers would tell us to use “one,” but it comes across as pretentious. And using “it” has it’s own drawbacks.
@Yiole_Gionglao I know exactly what you mean here. German uses die and der to assign male and female adjectives. Both die and der are “the” in English. French uses la and le for “the” adjective to assign male and female. Los and las for Spanish and I can’t recall the Italian. Now just imagine, if those countries got all politically correct like the states. I think chaos would ensue.
In an English sentence, I can rephrase it assuming I don’t know the person’s identity. For example;
She could go over to his house tonight.
They could go over to their house tonight.
One could go over to that person’s house tonight.
It amazes me that people in general get all picky about labels and insist upon those labels. It doesn’t bother me at all, when I am talking on the phone, and the person on the other end mistakenly references me as the opposite sex. It sure is a strange world we live in today. Where people walk on egg shells to prevent offending others. I really don’t think it matters what you call a person, as long as you say it with respect to them and mean it.
I sexually identify as an 800mm Repeating Cannon II . Ever since I was a boy, I dreamed of soaring through space mounted on a Minmatar battleship, flinging Tremor L projectiles at disgusting Capsuleers. People say to me that a Capsuleer being a A two-barreled, long-range, powerful cannon capable of causing tremendous damage is impossible, and I’m fing reta*ded, but I don’t care; I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install two 800mm barrels, 5000 rounds of Tremor L, three tracking computers, and four T2 Gyrostabilizer II on my body. From now on, I want you guys to call me “800mm Repeating Cannon II” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me, you’re a projectileophobe and need to check your Missile Caldari privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.
Coming from Spanish, our “inclusiverists” are at war with gendered terminations: “las niñas” (the -female- children) Vs “los niños” (both male children, or unespecified gender collective): how you dare use the masculine collective to “invisibilize” the existence of females in such collective? The “solutions” are far, far worse than English using plural pronouns to speak about individuals and range from impractical to stupid…
…but then I guess we’re off topic here, I didn’t even get the survey and just opened the thread to learn about what the survey was.
As EVE inclusiveness goes, CCP chose to not give a damn about “including” players like me (grrr, me filthy highseccer, miner, mission runner and wannabe Barbie-in-space player) and thus they succeeded in lowering their target demographics to “fringe” and PCU to 20,000 on a fine day, so maybe they’ve got some other fish to fry as EVE slips down into whatever state their Korean overlords decide.
