Harassment doesn’t have anything to do with the gender of the person being harassed. Males might respond to it differently than females, but the underlying action of someone harassing you (e.g. saying that they will r■■■ you) is equally bad regardless of whether it is directed at someone who happens to be a male or a female, since the person making the harassment simply operates under the assumption of the latter. So just because most targets of harassment happen to be males behind female avatars, doesn’t mean that there’s very little harassment of females, because the actual gender of the recipient isn’t a qualifier for whether or not harassment is taking place.
“Incessant” is relative to the type and severity of the behavior in question. A baby crying every couple of minutes can be described as “crying incessantly.” Gun violence in Chicago can be described as incessant if a few hundred murders happen every year in a city of millions; it doesn’t have to mean that ten people a minute are getting mowed down with automatic rifle fire. Likewise, harassment in EVE can be described as incessant if it happens every few days, or every couple of dozen of social interactions with other players; it doesn’t have to mean that literally every single player you talk to is threatening to molest you to death.
The point of the survey is not to change coarse on the impending politics and propaganda. They have already injected it right in front of your face and now its all over the forums. Will they decide to never bring up ESG again? Nope. Its too late. Ive already uninstalled and simply come back to the forums every few days now to look for hope.
I have had Rule #1 in all groups, corps, discords, guilds, chats, etc for over 20 years now.
Rule #1 No politics. CCP has broken rule #1.
Starting to wonder what CCP shall do more than enforcing the EULA? Removing the in-game chat and just outsourcing the whole moderation job to discord or other player-driven tools? This was actually asked about in the survey.
I’m not sure how common this type of behavior is these days, but I do recall it being a common thing for Goons to constantly post porn in local and refer to bubble traps as “rape cages.” Destiny is right in that type of behavior was aimed at everyone, and not just women, but it does affect women differently than men.
CCP used to tell their players to htfu and deal with it, even to the point of releasing a song with those lyrics. Obviously if they decide they want to coddle their players, they’re going to lose the people who liked the old way of doing things.
Removing chat is a terrible idea. I understand the concern from a policing point of view, but it would make the on boarding process even more difficult. And since women are even more socially minded then men, you’re likely to lose more women than men by removing in game chat.
If they want to make changes, they should just make players click a button that says the player consents to speaking with other players. If they don’t consent, they don’t get access to in game chat.
Sure, but where are you seeing people spamming that they are going to do that to people?
Because i sure as hell don’t see it, i’m not saying it doesn’t happen but that i don’t think its a widespread issue like you seem to make out and definitely not the actual reason people don’t play, are you confusing rape with people saying they are going to ■■■■ you up?
Yes it can be incorrectly defined as incessant, people using words incorrectly doesn’t make it true
Not the best use of the word sure, but that again is a small group of people doing something, just because a small group of people are racist do we say that racism is incessant?
In general, the majority of EVE players are indifferent about who is behind the screen of other players in the game.
I would also say that there are many who are helpful or friendly even after combat and if they blow someone up who wants to learn how to avoid such losses in the future I’ve found they are usually very open with suggestions on safer flying practices. And very occasionally reimburse the loss, especially of newer players.
I have felt frustrated by certain few individuals in the game who are verbally toxic but there is a nice function in the game so you can forever not have to see anything they type in chat.
Any community is going to have outliers. EVE’s outliers, I’m happy to say, are the toxic ones. The only way they can target you with insults specific to your RL demographics is if you’ve shared those things about yourself with them, otherwise they are just blowing smoke hoping to get under your skin.
The times I’ve been apart of a corp I’ve found a very caring community who go out of their way to help even in RL scenarios if able. I’ve had both women and men CEO’s and flown with people from all over the planet and from every walk of life.
These caring benevolent or indifferent people are our community, a few outliers are not our identity. Report them, block them and you never have to see what they write again. Then go out of your way to show kindness to others in the game just in case they’ve had the unfortunate experience of meeting someone toxic so that they will know how our community really is.
Firstly, I’d just like to point out I’m not defending the word usage. I was just giving a supporting point about how certain types of bad behavior were fairly prevalent. As even if it were only Goons behaving badly, they were a well known and numerous group.
I can’t say I know where the cut off is for that type of term. Do you need greater than 50% bad actors for the word to be applied? Considering the word means “continuing without interruption; unending; ceaseless” it’s more about the visibility of the activity.
And no doubt, the word usage is an exaggeration, as is the norm for these types of things. but I would suggest as well, that some people end up experiencing a lot more harassment than others, so to them it can feel pretty overwhelming.
Engage in non-consensual PvP (ganking, wars, low-sec gate-camping, etc.)
Engage in passive-aggressive behavior (e.g. go bump someone or mine “someone else’s rock”)
Read the blog
Hang out in the WWIG? channel
Definitely not.
Just a semantics argument at this point, then. It seems like you know the context in which the term was used, and are nitpicking it because it’s the weakest component of the argument you can attack.
So, can we just say something like “prolific,” then? It happens way more than it should happen in polite society.
No, you really don’t. You want power and control. Even your chosen handle is proof of that.
No matter where you go, there will be people who disagree with you on any topic. Going around shoving yourself and your ideologies in their faces irrespective of their personal space is the fastest way to make enemies.
I usually default to they/them when there’s some ambiguity about a person’s gender. I understand where it can be confusing especially when the usage of those words seems like it’s reserved specifically for groups when English isn’t a person’s first language.
Hello. I’ve been trying to think of what to say in here for hours, but there’s so many bad takes that I don’t know where to start.
I am a cis woman. I have played Eve Online since March 2016. I have been to multiple IRL Eve meetups and am extremely active in various Eve-related Discord servers. There’s a lot more that happens to people that aren’t cis men that y’all have no idea about.
For example, I was once harassed repeatedly by a corp CEO that didn’t stop until I finally told a (male) director about, and that director told him off. This all happened in DMs and barely anyone else knew.
I’m currently dealing with a harassment case that’s still being investigated. I can’t say much about it yet but yes, it happened (and is still happening) and it sucks and it shouldn’t happen to anyone.
So yes, sample size of 1 here (omg!) but I’ve heard many stories first hand from others. It might not be “all the time to all of us” but still way too many. I don’t want to speak for trans female players (whose very existence makes them “political” I guess?) but I could hardly imagine what they deal with.
I just thank my lucky stars every day for my guy friends that are supportive in such a majority male environment - besides my supportive female friends. That’s what it’s about, and why this kind of survey is actually important.
Feel free to reply while I go play Candy Crush or something.
