Do You Consider Yourself a HighSec Resident? Join the HighSec Collective!

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Hello High Sec!

My name is Kshal Aideron and I’m your current CSM representative (CSM18 & 20). I’m also the founder and CEO of the public community Eve Rookies as well as CEO of the public community Wormlife.

I’ve been playing Eve for 7 years come the end of January 27 and pretty much my entire game play and Eve career has revolved around teaching and mentoring new players and building communities that bring players together. I’m also a very avid PVPer and NPSIer, but that part doesn’t really fit into this today. :grin:

So, the HighSec Collective. What is it and why should you care and join?

Here’s the Discord link if you just want to get on with it: Highsec Collective

Before CSM19, Mick Fightmaster created the Wormhole UN to unify wormholers. It’s a place the CSM can convey information to players and gather data/ideas in a way that Fenris can consume it. It’s also a place where the Devs themselves can go to interact with players. And they do.

Then last year YougPuke created 2 servers for LowSec. One for LowSec residents and one for FW. Same thing. It’s a place for the CSM to convey info, get info, etc for Fenris to consume. And, once again, the Devs go there to interact with the players.

Null ofc gets lots of representation, so no need to cover that. When looking at this, what’s missing? HighSec.

That’s where the HighSec Collective comes in. Why The Collective? HS is made up of so many types of residents and game play that there’s no way to really segment it off like was done with LS. We have mission runners, incursion runners, haulers, industry, mining, ganking, wardeccers, and everything in between.

In my view, it doesn’t matter if you’re a huge group like Eve Rookies or Eve Uni or the tiniest little corp made up of RL friends just having fun in HighSec. Every single one of you deserve to have your voice heard.

And, of course because most new player mentors exist in High Sec (not all, but the majority), I’ve included the mentors into the HS Collective as well.

How to Join and What are the Roles

When you join, you’ll first land on the core values of the group. Please read these. I govern my communities on Core Values and the moderators of the Collective are members of the Eve Rookies community team. We don’t put up with people who want to gatekeep other people’s game play or want to just stir up drama to watch the server burn.

Once you’re in, decide who you are.

- Regular player: you don’t need to do anyting further except feel free to chit chat in the General HighSec Chatter or leave suggestions and feedback.

- New Player Mentor: register for roles in the application to hs mentors. Being part of a bigger group that mentors players like Eve Rookies, Eve Uni, etc isn’t necessary. If you help new players and want to try to make the experience better, this is for you!

  • CEOs & Directors of Corps/Alliances: if you’re the CEO and/or director of a corp/alliance or even public group, register for the Collective (you can still register as a mentor as well). Keep in mind we are limiting it to 2 per group. We are letting the CEO designate 2 of their leadership if they don’t want to/can’t be part themselves.

Why are we limiting the amount that can join The Collective? As I said, there are hundreds of tiny little corps in HS. By limiting it to the highest ranking players, we’re hoping to have some very good discussions with each other and with Fenris on issues that matter to a CEO or director. And, in my experience of community building and dealing with organizations, it’s much easier to have fewer representatives information flows back to the groups intact.

I think that’s it! Just keep in mind the HS Collective isn’t a server that’s meant to have constant interaction. In between expansions or even updates, it might be quiet. That’s ok. However, when something comes up it’s always good to have a place to give feedback!

So, who’s coming to join The Collective?

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While you’re at it, NPC null doesn’t have much representation and it’s a unique ecosystem.

Good initiative, by the way. Highsec is in a dire need of attention by both CSM and FC.

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I think you meant that in relation to how many people in leadership positions can join. Earlier above in the text you said that everyone’s voice should be heard. You should reword that part, it just invites itself to cheapshots, which I WILL NOT DO, but I want to draw your attention to this matter. Otherwise, good initiative, I hope it doesnt’t get overrun by miners and carebears that just want to remove PvP from EVE Online.

With communal regards
-James Fuchs

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This seems prophetic.

Good Luck OP!

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There’s a difference with joining the server and participating in the public part, and being a CEO/Director and joining the section meant for this.

Anyone who feels they’re part of the HighSec fabric can join the server. However, we are limiting how many from a group’s leadership team can join the specific section meant for a group’s leadership.

This also isn’t the forum for trying to completely remove gameplay from High Sec. If a type of game play is ultimately harmful to the overall ecosystem, it can be discussed but there has to be a logical argument. Not just because X is bad.

There’s reddit and this forum for the blanket “remove it” arguments.

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As I see it High Sec is for people who don’t want to be part of large groups, or want to chill on an alt because their main is part of a large group. Perhaps because they’re super casual, perhaps because they just don’t like large groups, perhaps because they got more important things to do in life than be on voice with some “autistic slave driver”. The other group is newbies.

The problem is that introducing newbies to super casual people who hate grouping up, and who care more about numbers and spreadsheets than other people, is a great way to make them dislike the game and uninstall.

Just like how EVE is stated to be this blood thirsty competitive sandbox whereas the tutorial is 2 boss babes yapping at each other with vitriol and some boring dude going “mining, isn’t it awesome”. So the people who were actually attracted to this whole competitive sandbox thing go “wtf is this ■■■■” and uninstall.

TL:DR High Sec works for people who don’t WANT to be in a highly organised group, it’s never going to work.

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Hate to say it, it’s already working. We’ve already gotten some bugs and issues solved already and FenC is in talking to players where needed.

The Collective has been in operation since spring and we have all of the known groups and player mentors in and involved. Up until now it’s been word of mouth. However, it’s now at a place where those who want a voice that the CSM and FenC hears can have one.

So do, don’t. It’s up to each individual to decide how involved they want to get.

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Sounds more like a PR campaign.

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I am generally opposed to closed communication platforms like Discord so I won’t be joining you even if I enjoy helping new players when I play.

If one thing I’d like a CSM to champion for me, would be better APIs for managing contracts and corporate freelance projects outside the game. I’d like to be able to create them from my phone on the go. And I’d be able to manage easily my “template” contracts. I think there is some opportunity there in building corporate internal “career agents” for corporation members.

There are plenty of ideas surrounding that area of game, though while locked in-game it’s not worth wasting breath on expanding.

I think I’ve seen the wingspantt person decry at some point on reddit that the current tedium of setting up projects just within the game is a bit too much work. But that’s just paraphrashing to point out that I’ve seen others that want similar things.

Good luck!

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I’m kind of biased here as CEO of EVE Uni, one of the biggest groups of newbies in the game, with a significant number of our members living in high sec. Not all of them - we have a low sec group and plenty of people living independently elsewhere.

But I can confidently say your premise that high sec is only for people who don’t want to be part of larger groups, or that living in high sec just makes newbies quit, is BS. EVE Uni has been proving that wrong for 22 years at this point. And they do not all immediately uninstall the game, because if they did my job would be a lot ■■■■■■■ easier.

We have people in high sec doing a huge range of activities - mining, missions, homefronts, incursions, PVP roams, hauling, etc etc.

If your argument is that new players benefit from being introduced to the wider sandbox rather than being taught to hide from it, I’d agree with you. In EVE Uni we encourage people to learn, help others, and then eventually move on to whatever they want to do next. That might be high sec, or it might be somewhere else.

But high sec is an important part of the EVE ecosystem for both new and experienced players. I think your own lack of experience living in high sec is informing your opinion here more than the reality of the people who actually live there.

High sec players having somewhere to raise concerns and issues and give feedback to Fenris and the CSM is a good thing. I’ve been in the Discord since it started and I’ve seen some really useful discussions and feedback. I’d highly encourage anyone living in high sec to join it.

But you know, maybe I’m just part of Big High Sec’s PR department. Who knows.

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Uni used to be awesome, then it got taken over by null groups who now use it as their recruitment platform and to inject newcomers with their version of EVE politics and revisionist history. And they’ve been SO busy with doing all of that they kinda forgot to update the wiki, because that doesn’t fit the cause so why waste energy on that.

It’s full of wannabe’s, pretenders and people with ulterior motives but I’ll fully admit that Uni is the best of the known choices.

That wasn’t my point, the point is that joining a group that mostly comprises of miserable loners (or alts that get logged in to from time to time) looking at spreadsheets and afk mining veldspar all day, probably doesn’t entice new players to keep playing. And most high sec groups are exactly that.

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I’m sensing maybe just the tiniest hint of salt here. Just a little bit.

If EVE Uni has been taken over by nullsec groups, I’d kind of like to know which ones. I like to know who I’m working for. And maybe our secret nullsec overlords can get off their lazy asses and run some classes for us.

EVE Uni is just one example of many successful corps with a significant highsec presence. We’ve been in highsec for 22 years and have had tens of thousands of pilots pass through our doors.

So yes, we’re pretty good evidence that your claim that highsec groups are mostly “miserable loners” AFK mining veldspar and driving new players away is, in fact, nonsense.

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Yes, all high sec groups are exactly like the Uni. They’re no different in any way.

That’s the equivalent of someone stating an average thing like “most people like cats” and then some goober going “well I don’t”. Yes, that’s what “most people” means, there are exceptions. Talk about main character syndrome.

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I’m a High Princess!

:princess:t2:

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Maybe…but good luck getting FC to listen to the real everyday players rather than just those with the loudest voices and some axe to grind.

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Hey Laura Karpinski! o/
You’re working for ME!
Also check your inbox, you got a new batch of problem student reports, and I need your review yesterday!!

With reminding regards
-James Fuchs

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Ban player owned structures in Highsec. NPC stations are the home of Highsec residents.

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Many systems have no NPC stations, and are only active because of POS owned by HS corps. So your claim that NPC stations are home to HS resident is non-sense. NPC stations are also in Low and NPC Null, if you didn’t noticed.

If you want to empty HS with pissed off players quiting, that’d be a good start.

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I’ve moved all of my stuff out of corp owned stations…as I am tired of trying to work out whether stuff in asset safety is just junk ( which it usually is ) or anything valuable. As I have a habit of placing corvettes in stations and using that to ‘landmark’ the station, half of EVE is full of bubble wrapped corvettes.

If FC wanted to do something useful…corvettes should not be saved to asset safety.

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No they are not. When I started playing, I saw highsec as a place to learn the game, explore activities, get skill points and some ISK and prepare myself for more dangerous areas of space. It’s a place where you stay until you feel that you are at least somewhat competitive compared to much older players by picking your specialization, practicing it and gathering enough skill points for that specialization to be above older players that were not specialized.

“Looking at spreadsheets and afk mining Veldspar” is a stereotype that is completely detached from reality. One of the first things a new player searches for is what is there to do in the game, and gets that giant “What to do in EVE” graph. It’s literally the first result when you ask Google what to do in EVE Online. Show me a person who sees that graph and says “Nah… I think I’ll mine Veldspar”.

That graph, although way smaller than it is now, not only kept me in highsec, but I’ve enjoyed it so much that I’ve stayed for years… as a “miserable loner” in highsec.

My point is: content, features and interesting, balanced and fair game mechanics keeps players playing even if they play alone. If any of those three are lacking, they leave.