Blockquote no ! if you have a big mining fleet with your own chars then you have enough action !
Or we could just not allow multi-boxing.
Blockquote and tell me, where do you know who´s a bot and who´s not ? where do you know they are out there ?
I’m sorry, what? Botting has been an MMO problem for decades by this point.
Blockquote and where is your problem with multiboxer mining fleets ? these ppl generate your ships and items and if you kill their mining fleets then all the supply you could need will be more expensive ! why ? because you shruged all the mining multiboxer !
Because nothing I do will ever match the output of one guy controlling 20+ accounts at the same time.
Blockquote at least it will damage the economy
Proof please. People will either need to be more careful with their ships, or deal with flying smaller ones.
Blockquote data and hacking are not mining …
why has ratting no miningame ?
why has PvP no minigame ?
why has PI no minigame ?
why has undocking no minigame ?
why has docking no minigame ?
why has warping no minigame ?
why has jumping no minigame ?
why has … etc.
I’m not even dignifying this with an answer.
Blockquote yes ! thats the only way to operate against bots ! and not only the bot accounts need to be banned also all the accounts conectet to the bot account !
then ccp can close the servers xD its a game which allows multiboxer and they keep the game alive
and i only want you need to proof your point ! wher do you know CCP didnt catch every single bot ? where do you know bots are still alive ? did any bot tell you its a bot ?
so many mining fleets were called bots and they are only multiboxed mining fleets ! where do YOU know a mining fleet, or a single miner, is a bot ? because he didnt answered you ? i also dont answer any dude ingame oO
if you compare the output of every single char ? yes… its realy easy to have a way better char output then a multiboxer … a multiboxing fleet will never decycle because your rock is finished ( maybe some crazy dude do this but its a lot of work ) ! a single char can do it very easy !
proof ? its easy to see … you are killing multiboxing mining fleets over eve ? then you are reducing the ammount of minerals you can find on the market and all mnerals will be more expensive ! if minerals are more expensive then all your ships and createt modules will be more expensive !
thats simple logic !
becasue you see your statement about hacking minigame and mining minigame is stupid ? then you have made the first step into the right direction !
No, that would not work.
As always, you don’t want to have a gameplay that requires more tedious. Because tedious helps bots.
IMO the best way to remove bots is to make them useless, so to remove all tediousness.
This of course requires to make the gameplay engaging. hull alert makes a bad wake up ring.
IMO potential answers could be
having area of effect “increased mining laser duration” appear as you mine ore, so moving around would be required to have optimal yield.
make the mining area wider, with a sole warp-in but with warp ability (warp drive or gates) inside the dungeon. This way, faster ships would be better for some part of the dungeon, while high-yield ones would be better for other. And the ability to refit could also be useful. As it is now, the ability to warp wherever you want makes it useless to have fast ships.
How? You do realize that CAPCHAs and the likes are designed to fight against automated systems by being tedious?
Thats the most easiest thing you could do when programming a bot.
Botters are not worried about time-consuming events. They have all the time in the world, literally. They can put up their botting programs 10, 16 hours a day, while they are off to work or playing or whatever they want to do.
AFK miners already partake in a little mini game that results in them finding themselves floating in space in their pod when they fail. It’s called ganking.
That’s where you are wrong. They are designed to be not tedious.
Does not mean they succeed though.
Going in a straight line ? It’s actually so easy it does not even need a bot. I fail to see how this is relevant though.
Technically they don’t, but yeah compared to non-botter they have much more time available.
So what ? Your post feels like you totally missed my point.
This question does not prove anything.
The design of a capcha is to be the less tedious possible.
If they become too tedious, they will instead be easier done by bots than by human. Because tediousness favors bots.
I did not propose to go in a straight line, which is the actual easiest thing to be done by a bot.
The one you answer to. Read my post again.
How does your answer actually relates to my point ?
That literally proves you missed my point.
The fact that bots have more time than human does not change a single thing to what I wrote.
No, the design of Capcha is to fight bots and automated posting. 4chan is a perfect example of a CAPCHA that is highly tedious to combat bot postings.
Why would tediousness favor bots?
If I have a capcha, that requires me to move a slider to line up pictures that reveal words and type those words in to solve it, how does this favor bots?
I never said straight line, either. You were the first to mention straight lines.
I did. Instead of saying “Read it”, why dont you actually point it out, if you can?
You specifically wrote, and i quote,
This in no way provides any potential answer to botting.
WHILE being the less tedious possible for human users.
Because that’s what they do better than human. They are literally built for it.
Automation in general is all about doing tedious tasks, like calculus, heat regulation, transmitting information, building cars …
Again, you miss my point. If it is more tedious, then it favors more the bots.
Then you have no idea what is “the most easiest thing you could do when programming a bot.” and you are talking BS.
Because your answer is so far from my post that there is nothing to point out.
So yes, you totally missed my point.
Which was literally above your quote :
You agree that CAPCHAs have changed from since it was originally introduced, and that many different forms now exist, right?
Have you ever asked yourself why?
I can easilyi prove you wrong, if you answer the question that you dodged a moment ago.
Would it be more, or less tedious, for EVE forums to require you to solve a Capcha before posting each post?
Answer the question you refused to answer, above, and ill prove you wrong.
You cant even follow our simple discussion.
This was the direct flow of our conversation. Your suggestion was to have the player move around the asteroid field.
I pointed out that this was really easy for bots to be programmed to do. They are already programmed to move between stations and belts. This is an extension of what they are programmed to do.
Then, you said “I dont see how this is relevant.”
Is english your second language?
You said I missed the point. I asked you to demonstrate it.
All of your suggestions to make the gameplay engaging, fail.
The exploration mini-game has not stopped bots; in contrast, it made it even easier for them. No form of mini-game whatsoever is ever going to be easier and better for humans and worse and harder to complete for bots.
No, that question is completely irrelevant. That’s why I ignore it.
State your argument if you have one, don’t ask trap questions that are only here to derail the topic.
There is no discussion when you are making off-topic loaded questions without the courage to actually state your point.
Also, your off topic does not change that
“you have no idea what is “the most easiest thing you could do when programming a bot.” and you are talking BS.”
No, my suggestion was to have the player move around the asteroid field in order to have optimal yield.
And the only way your post would make sense would be if I was proposing to have people go in a straight line.
No, this is not. Making people move around a grid dynamically is not the same thing as making them move between station and belt. You are wrong on so many levels, you have no idea what you are talking about…
Because it’s not.
There is nothing to demonstrate . You are making a soup of useless words.
You are the one who has to make the discussion on topic and explain how your post is related. Don’t expect me to explain why your post is off-topic.
No it was not, since you did not even understand my post.
You are completely missing my point, you pretend that bots are not better than human to handle tedious tasks, and then you pretend that my idea of making the mining more dynamic would be solved by simple “dock-warp” bots.
Dude you are full of ■■■■. That’s low troll level.
There is already a minigame. @Aiko_Danuja, if willing, will explain it to you.
There used to be an other minigame, which was called Hulkageddon. It was a fun little game, but Hulks are rare these orcadays, and orcas are just no fun.
It would be great to expand on the currently existing minigame, in line with the core philosophy of EvE Online: if you are not screaming, then we are doing it wrong.
