Does mining need a minigame?

Mining has a mini-game. It’s called Project Discovery.

Safety to assume sooner or later you will recognize Aiko (& Co.) from in-game as well. :innocent:

Not quite correct actually. Solonius and Stefnia have wandered off into a pissing match without either of them actually understanding what the “design” of Capchas is. Solonius has also conflated how it’s designed, with what it’s purpose is, with how the process is perceived by users.

At any rate, there’s still an area that humans do better, faster, and easier than bots. It’s pattern recognition. It’s pretty much the whole reason we have Project Discovery as opposed to letting bots do that. It’s how Capcha’s are designed.

A mining mini-game, to favor humans over bots, would simply need to involve a process of recognizing evolving visual patterns on the target and clicking to focus the lasers on the pattern that says “Mining pinata here!”.

It’s not happening regardless, because CCP literally wants people falling asleep in space from sheer boredom. And they want their attention distracted by massive clunky UIs with bright colors and screen-blocking boxes. Because that’s their “vision” of a better EVE.

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#GrrrrrrrCCPgarrrrrrrrrbitterbearsalt.

Sometimes I wonder if you know what you are talking about, or whether you just make things up and roleplay as if you know anything at all.

Regardless, I’m sorry your EvE life is boring. You know what they say, if you are bored, it’s probably because you are boring!

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I keep glancing at their killboard to see if anything happened, but nothing at all in 6 years. No wonder Kezrai is so bored! Remember, the forums are just the forums, and you have to actually login in order to play the game!

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You don’t need to study capchas to understand that tediousness is never a quality for human interaction, while it is literally what allows bots to exist.
Any increase of tediousness in a client must be a tradeoff for something else. Otherwise, if you only increase tediousness you make the human experience worse while making machine interaction constant.

Also I was not bringing that stupid argument of capchas. Only reaffirming that tediousness helps bots. He is the one who chose to go on an off-topic rage, with stupid claims.

That’s literally what AIs are trained to do better than human.
And even without AI : how do you think exploration bots play the minigame ? If they intercept the data then they can do the same for another minigame.

So you think PD is not botted ?

No it’s not. On the opposite, now recaptcha does not require any input from the user. Because bots are better than humans for the old versions, and so those captchas actually hinder human more than bots .

Because it’s a stupid idea. Only the delusional people who think tediousness helps fight bots, which was debunked like 15 years ago, can cling onto it.

Yeah, if you do it wrong.

Not what I’ve read. Solo players love mining.

Most everything in EvE makes it easy for botters.

CCP doesn’t care about mining.

Welcome to the community.

It already is a minigame and it can get very intense depending on the size and mining strength of your fleet. If some go AFK to much, the laws of natural selection (AKA our beloved ganking community) will take care of them.

It’s technically not natural selection, since it is guided by a rational entity (namely, myself). I refer to it as culling. Sleepy miners get the blast.

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Natural selection does not refer to the individuals. Individuals dying in RL is not natural selection : it’s life.
Also people dying in a video game is not natural selection either, since they don’t reproduce in the game.

When Lions catch the zebra, they are not being rational. They are simply following their basic instincts. It is the same with gankers in Eve. Miners on the other hand are rational.

That’s right, zebra are smarter than lions. Ok.

:roll_eyes:

Who would chew all the grass without zebra??

Certainly not those griefer cats!

Is it not eminently more likely that mining is boring because it is supposed to be boring, and that is the cue to do something in the game other than mining. The act of mining is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Somehow I just doubt that Eve was ever started up with the notion that there’d be an entire group of people with ‘I’m A Miner’ names who’d spend 20 years doing nothing but mining !

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That is not entirely true. The miner way of life is a meme that gets propagated and encourages people to spend 20 years watching a mining laser rather than engage in the glossy PvP game that originally attracted them to the game. I do not see a single Eve advert that says ‘Join Eve, and spend years on end watching a mining laser’.

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This video perfectly captures how miners ‘play’ EvE, and what happens the moment they run into someone who plays PvP video games.

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That is entirely true. People copying behavior is culture, not a trait in the sense of reproduction-transmitted.
Trying to force those concepts into natural selection is a fallacious approach called Social Darwinism - Wikipedia

Natural selection is the theory of how traits are transmitted to offspring in a population, based on the selective pressure of the environment (= the nature) and lead to species having important internal differences . Culture is anything but natural, on the opposite human culture is what allows the species to overcome natural selection - science being a product of culture, just like art, language, etc.

Are they tho?

It seems when they melt down and start throwing around death threats, and threats of doing unspeakable things to your mom when they get gank, kinda leads me to believe they are anything but rational.

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It is entirely consistent with theory on memes…which are self propagating and which also undergo their own form of natural selection.

The habit of demanding that things are true or not true for no good reason other than that you say so…is also a meme ! It seems to propagate wildly on this forum as a substitute for actual facts and rational argument.

Nice example of soup of words as a substitute for actual facts and rational arguments.

Only if mining for 50 hours is more rational than clicking on ‘buy 500 PLEX’ and having the same amount of ISK in less than 5 minutes.