I wish I could monetise krab tears.
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Yes, he engaged. He undocked, he put himself in a position where PvP happens. And the only reason he had no chance to escape or retaliate was that he allowed a 50v1 to happen instead of having friends of his own.
Safely nuking a target is allowed but not being able to nuking targets that easy is somehow considere being bad for the game - weird.
Once again, since you don’t seem to get it: easily nuking targets only happens when the target sucks at EVE. People who don’t make themselves into easy targets don’t get nuked like that. And there is nothing forcing people to be helpless targets.
Oh, so purely afk activity for attacker is allowed but semi-afk activity for a defender is a no-no.
Why is this so hard to understand?
AFK cloaking produces nothing of value. All you can do is sit idle in a safespot. To accomplish anything else you have to stop AFK cloaking and engage in non-AFK activities, most of which have significant risk of loss attached.
AFK farming produces immense value. Of course it is unacceptable for a farmer to start their farming setup, walk away for 10 hours, and come back to billions of ISK.
The fact that you are trying to present these situations as equivalent suggests that your claim to not being farmer trash was a lie.
they gang up on defensless target
Boo hoo. Stop being a defenseless target if you don’t like it.
It´s not a nonsense, it´s your unwillingness to make effort.
Please describe exactly what “effort” will overcome the fact that the time spent watching a loading screen with your name appearing in local in the system you are entering is longer than the time required for an alert player in that system to enter warp back to a station. There is literally nothing you can do here because you are watching a loading screen and unable to act.
People are killing stuff right left and center, but you somehow fail to do so.
People are killing stuff because even when farmer trash is handed tons of advantages it is still too stupid to use them and dies. The existence of people who are so utterly incompetent that they are incapable of using even the easiest PvP avoidance tools does not change the fact that the situation is not balanced. A competent and attentive PvE player will never get caught except by sheer one in a million bad luck.
Your entire post is just an unending barrage of self entitlement and unwillingness to make effort while other have to be nerfed to the ground. Just wow.
Your entire post is just an unending barrage of entitled farmer trash whining, complaining about anything that could involve any risk of loss or failure or produce any reduction in farming ISK/hour. Perhaps if you spent more time learning how to play EVE and less time whining on the forums and demanding that CCP make the game easier you wouldn’t have these problems.
PS: farmer trash already has lots of tools for requiring PvP players to make effort. It doesn’t need more tools until it uses the ones it already has.
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I don’t have a crystal ball and neither does anyone else here. All we know is that CCP is taking something to many of us who pve in null don’t use/don’t like (the ESS) and making it a permanent thing, most likely in the hopes of “encouraging” people to defend their isk from thieves and give ‘hunters’ a financial reason to hunt.
I’m wary of the idea for a lot of reasons that I haven’t even fully fleshed out in my own head. One thing is the premature celebrating some ‘hunters’ are doing, mainly because I’ve heard it before:
“HAH HAH, the buff to exhumers is gonna end suicide ganking, take that Code”… Ganking intensified.
“Dominion Sov will be great because it will have small gang objectives, take that Goons!” … Goons got stronger.
“Aegis (Fozzy) Sov will be wonderful because it will break the power of the big blocs, take that Goons/NC/PL/TEST/Insert alliance with more than 2 people in it!!!” The Blue Donut turned into a Blue ring of STEEL.
“Man, black out is going to ROCK, there will be so much content, man those Krabs won’t see us coming”… This part was actually true. The Krabs didn’t see it coming, can’t see nothing in game if you don’t log in at all…
I mean, just how many times does something have to turn out the exact opposite of what you expect before some of you say “hmmmm, better hold on the celebrating for 2 seconds and see how this goes”?
Also, CCP hasn’t proven very adept at doing anything with PVE or PVE to PVP interactions over the years (just look at Drifters, Diamond Rats, FOBs etc,). For the most part, most of the PVE we see people doing is stuff like missions and anomalies that have been in game since forever and lots of times the new stuff gets ignored. Trig invasion and the Abyss stuff seem on the right-ish track i guess. But it doesn’t seem that CCP understands PVE player motivations.
If they think people are just going to either let their isk get stolen OR all of a sudden become PVPrs (ie content for hunters), they are deluding themselves. Just like Blackout, it you make it were doing PVE in null is just too frustrating, people simply won’t. Especially with all the other avenues to make isk available (Alts are a thing, like how people used to have lvl 4 mission alts before null had upgradeable systems).
TL;DR I can’t predict anything but I’d be damned surprised if this new perma ESS thing doesn’t flop and backfire.
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Here you are. Just have to translate his mumbo jumbo a bit for the farmer to come out
Oh wait … clears it up a bit:
And some more … I can not for the love of god understand you missed all this and still claim you have read the topic:
And more … you see the pattern here? less than 40 posts into the topic:
And here you are as post 42:
You sir, are not telling us the truth.
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No one forces anyone to pvp. It’s just, if you didn’t scoop your loot in a while and dodge neutrals as they appear, it might just be not there anymore.
Think of it as a “pussy tax”, you pussy out, you lose Revenue.
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Killing rats etc is PvE; getting away with it, that’s PvP
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My bet is that this wannabe totalitarian dictator loser is Naarian.
Everything fits.
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Most nullspace is safe anyway this change will have little effect on the ratter community.
Pls give me a quote where i wrote “need more farm”.
I wrote what i expected to happen. Time will show if it will be true or not.
Tiny missconseption here: he is dead because 50 bombers nuked him right away.
Delusion.
Quiet right: it kills value production in system.
AFAIK afk farming is krabbing in a drone boat or mining. Yet still you kinda need to change sites etc. Not sure what immense value are you talking about. Non-semiafk krabbing is way more profitable then semiafk krabbing.
The problem is that even a pilot of an afktar has do some some actions to farm while a cloaky camper need to do what? 0 actions at all and yet have such influence?
I´m ok with that because they ran quiet often from my non-pvp ships 
apparently they were out for easy kills only vOv
Sorry, i could not contain my laughter at this one. Your effort could be: using friends/alts in hyperspatial ceptors/dictors, anchoring small mobile bubbles inside large ones. But no, you want to enter a system and catch everyone who are not docked. Commit and you will be rewarded.
Thanks, i realy needed that one. Was a good laugh, thanks.
And all that despite me stating
I want a lot of changes and tbh only “cloaky campers change” would benefit krabs, the rest of the list will impact them in rather negative way. If you would be such a trash pvper you would not wine about “but nerf them, i can´t delete an entire system!”.
Think i will not get tired of you assuming me beind die hard krab
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Da fok did I just read?
Did you literally just say that an AFK player launching drones and tabbing out to Netflix needs to perform actions, while a cloaked camper (e.g. the player who needs to constantly watch the system, scan belts, follow targets around, get tackle, and bring in support) doesn’t need to perform any?
I mean I know that nullers are generally daft because that kind of empire-building requires the recruitment of dry-brained sheeple who fall in line without questioning anything, but this is an unheard-of level of “I never dun gone ta skool” absence of logical thought.
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I never said YOU wrote “need more farm”
I specifically commented on only one of your remarks, this one:
I showed that is a ■■■■■■■■ comment because I clearly was able to point out a certain poster in the 40 posts before you ( your post was nr 42) absolutely claimed there should be more “nerf pvp, give us more farm etc.” Your comment:
to my:
Doesn’t make any sense at all in the context of my post.
Try again.
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What else do you expect to happen in a 50v1? If you don’t want to die 50v1 then try bringing 49 of your friends. Or, even better 100 of your friends so you make it one-sided in your own favor.
Delusion.
No, fact. Nothing requires you to be an easy target that can be nuked effortlessly.
Quiet right: it kills value production in system.
Only if the residents are useless farmer trash that can’t overcome even the most minor of PvP threats. And in that case who cares if farmer trash fails? Failure is the only thing it knows how to do.
The problem is that even a pilot of an afktar has do some some actions to farm while a cloaky camper need to do what? 0 actions at all and yet have such influence?
“Such influence” = “negligible influence against anyone who isn’t farmer trash”. The AFK farmer requires minimal action and gets ISK. The AFK camper requires zero action but gets nothing the local residents do not willingly give to the AFK camper. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
Your effort could be: using friends/alts in hyperspatial ceptors/dictors, anchoring small mobile bubbles inside large ones.
Nope. None of those things work. It doesn’t matter how fast your ship is or how many friends you have if your target has already entered warp for a station while you are still watching a loading screen.
Was a good laugh, thanks.
Then perhaps you should spend less time around farmer trash and more time around competent PvE players? I can’t even remember the last time I lost a PvE ship without lag/disconnects/etc. And that’s including solo farming in hostile nullsec.
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ffs CCP
OPEN IN NEW TAB!!
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fixed 
@Merin_Ryskin I understand some points of your view, but you don’t seem to be up to date about ratting or intel.
- many have eyes on in/out gates. they don’t realy need local. that is the ground why they are so fast on warp if you coming in.
- plain afk drone ratting does not realy exists. A lot has changed. Drones die, some rats don’t agress and the drones don’t engage. but yes also without being afk it is boring activity
- afk mining does not exists anymore, to small the rocks, to much npc spawns to being afk.
- they are different null zones. with no hunters at all like oasa and drone region, or to much hunters and campers like delve. for you that does not matter i guess?
now one question. how should players protect they space, build strong protection and infrastructure, buy expensive skills and expensive stuff without make isk? in null sec you need some more stuff than one mission runner ship like in HS.
or are you just against intensive onesided pve activity? how make you your isk to buy pvp stuff etc?
and let’s not forget. you give up a lot for live in null. you can’t just go out to HS to do some cool stuff like epic arcs. you are always at war with somebody.
not everything is as great as you think.
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Nope.
With no local: eyes on gates can detect many threats, but there are still ways into a system that evade this. If you come in through a wormhole, log in directly to the system, jump via covert cyno, etc, you can get into a system without anyone knowing you are there.
With local: none of that matters. No matter how you enter a system an alert player can be safe in warp back to a station before you finish the loading screen.
how should players protect they space, build strong protection and infrastructure, buy expensive skills and expensive stuff without make isk?
By making a cooperative effort to earn ISK instead of declaring themselves entitled to semi-AFK solo farming. You know, like how alliances that aren’t useless renter trash manage to get ISK.
If you leave a wh not covered, then you deserve to die. I have spent countless hours covering wh’s and gates. If your this lazy, I just don’t know what to say. Nothing will help you. 
Edit; Covering wh’s and gates is the only time I turn on sound! 
Of course. But covering wormholes (and making sure you find them ASAP) requires more effort than just watching local and warping out if a non-blue name appears.