While the corp is not around any more sadly, ALL points of entry were covered and any new wh was scanned and rolled.
Again, are you that lazy??? It baffles me at this point. Why can’t I log in and make isk without undocking or having any risk?
Err, what? I think you are confused as to what side I’m on here.
No. I think I got quite right. If we didn’t have a problem, why do you?
Damm, I forgot… We weren’t afk…
No, you have it 100% backwards. I’m saying that it requires more effort and this is a good thing.
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Sorry, I am so used to whiners, I kinda knee jerk and you post did not seem to impart that to me.
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Merin’s point was that with how it is right now You don’t even need to cover for wormholes etc. because local is a thing. Admittedly some corps may be putting in effort to cover them, but most of them seems to not care, because why bother when easier solution is at hand 
Easiest solution would be to put the control pad down and have a beer.
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Then write in a way that someone else except you can understand. BTW:
Yes, compared to cloaky camper: they are almost not afk
Tackle comes in rarely because usualy this cyno camper just shuts down krabbing. For the rest: oh boy, check local and push “d-scan” once in a while, and maybe - god forbid - even move around a little bit if he can´t cover the entire system with his d-scan? Jesus christ, he can hurt his fingers by pushing so many buttins so often.
Nothing. 50 bombers will nuke a praxis. Check your earlier posts: you litteraly want to forbid for many people to live in one system, krabs should spread out and die, otherwise someone may start crying “but i can´t kill them!”.
Delusion.
I do woner though: imagine for a sec that you are in a cyno ship. What is the difference between you having covert cloak or not if it is known for a fact that you ARE in a cyno ship and you WILL bring a nuking fleet.
Because you are deluded about it for some reason. Maybe you didnt recieve enough hugs or maybe you are just unable to turn around a chessboard and accept the fact that opposing side got another view on a situation, but here we are.
It works, and i didn´t even mention combat probing, using wh as escape/sudden attack point, filaments, maybe even spais in alliance. Moral of the story: stop being trash.
Stop right there, sir. Did you just say that you are running every time you see a threat?
You know, when carebears complain about various PvP risks, they usually take the moral high ground approach, or try to convince everyone how EVE’s economy is suffering as an effect, et cetera, under pretense that what they want isn’t for themselves, but for the greater good. But this guy just straight up voices his entitlement to be able to AFK-farm in null-sec, and I think that takes balls. Props to you, null-bro, for not beating around the bush, and telling everyone that you want the whole pie, and not merely a slice. Seems like the seeds that Madison Avenue planted toward the end of the last century with their “you deserve it” school of marketing are finally yielding fruit for our society.
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Stop lying. I want to add risk vs. reward balance, where you are free to take the lowest-risk option of packing your entire alliance into a single system but the cost is lower rewards than if you spread out.
I do woner though: imagine for a sec that you are in a cyno ship. What is the difference between you having covert cloak or not if it is known for a fact that you ARE in a cyno ship and you WILL bring a nuking fleet.
Against farmer trash: no difference really. They’ll hide in station because even a 0.0001% risk of loss is too terrifying for them to accept.
Against competent players: minimal difference. I would look at d-scan, see that they have too strong a PvP force for my “nuking fleet” to do anything but die against, and go find a better target. In this case the major advantage of the covert ops cloak would be a higher chance of getting past their gatecamp intact to leave their system.
Maybe you didnt recieve enough hugs or maybe you are just unable to turn around a chessboard and accept the fact that opposing side got another view on a situation, but here we are.
I have considered the “view” of farmer trash and rejected it as fundamentally stupid and inappropriate for EVE. Do not confuse a lack of sympathy for farmer trash with an inability to understand their demands.
It works, and i didn´t even mention combat probing, using wh as escape/sudden attack point, filaments, maybe even spais in alliance. Moral of the story: stop being trash.
Sorry, but spamming “IT WORKS IT WORKS IT WORKS” does not change the fact that an alert player will be in warp back to station before you can finish the loading screen. Also:
Combat probing does nothing. The competent PvE player is already back in station by the time you can launch probes and attempt to use them.
Using a wormhole does nothing. The competent player already saw your name in local and initiated warp back to a station before you finished the loading screen required for passing through a wormhole.
Using a spy works, but it’s a sign of the weakness of your argument that you have to resort to suggesting that people infiltrate a target corp/alliance with a new spy alt every time they want to get a kill. And once you have a spy alt none of this stuff about AFK camping matters, your spy alt can just warp to the target and obliterate it before anyone can react.
Did you just say that you are running every time you see a threat?
Most of the time, yes. Unlike farmer trash I am able to recognize potential threats and take immediate action to prevent them from catching me. And, unlike farmer trash, I don’t lose PvE ships.
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@Merin_Ryskin
You really are a funny forum trash warrior.
Many times you prove that you know nothing about many tactics, you little trash mouth.
Either all the farmers are demigods, because you can’t do anything against them, or you are simply incapable.
I’m leaning toward the second.
Go back to your little skirmish stuff you little miss trash mouth.
Leave the field for something more meaningful. You are nothing and nothing has to be adjusted for you.
greetings.
Like entire thread is dedicated to one aspect only. How do you read it “omg krabs want to remove pvp”. Just sad.
Oh boy, there is no telling about how much can be done across entire eve for balancing this stuff. Including PVP.
That´s a lot of lies/delusions for one post. Btw, apparently entire nullsec is labeled “pve trash” according to you.
Holy Moses. Somehow i doubt that you do PVP at all.
That´s not how you use them. Once again: i doubt that you´ve done PVP at all.
Then how exactly do you differ from “pve trash” that avoids pvp and hides the second a threat arrives? 
Jesus Christ, you´ve dont some hardcore mental gymnastics.
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Because a game filled with a horde of bomber pilots called Alpha[1…99] and Beta[1…99] is so much more engaging than actual people who know dealing with cloaky threats is always a loosing prospect?
No cloaking on the grid with the ESS, no cyno’s of any kind. Start with that.
This just punishes people who aren’t in the ‘right’ timezone. Look at jump gates, they used to be protected by a citadel and after that protection was removed, they just get trolled in the off timezones. Same thing will happen to ESS.
In blackout, there was an initial spike and then all the PvP dried up as the PvE player count died out. People walked away from the game over that.
Who decides what players are significant or not?
Gosh that episode of the Meta Show where the blue umbrella’s were up over the screens has got to be the best example of a group thumbing their nose at CCP and CCP responding with changes to one of the most stagnant mechanics in the game.
Owning Sov is an ISK sink, if it weren’t for the fact its needed to build supers it would be redundant.
Explain then how even a max scan character is supposed to scan down an even half competent cruiser that keeps bouncing around a system ?
Awoxing with a spy alt still gets kills though, so who is to say what is right or wrong?
Its probably lost in translation, there is a difference between PvE done by bots and the honest folk actually earning their rewards.
Its not removing the cloak, its removing the multitude of eyes that run macro d-scan scrapers.
Only if the PvE players are asleep. With the lag these days, its going to take longer to get into the drop fleet and get tackle than it will for the locals to hit warp.
Really? Its not like that nonsense of a cyno on an interdictor logged off in the ice belt works anymore.
How about the risk adverse nano kitey meta garbage?
Perhaps, when engaging in cooperative activities intended for large groups you should join a group that aligns with your timezone? I don’t give a **** about consequences to parasites who join an alliance just to farm in the off hours and never contribute anything.
I am AU-TZ. One of the many reasons I retired from Null is that AU-TZ seems to be really good at diluting itself into a bunch of EU/NA corporations, or forming small corporations that never grow to the point that they can ‘do’ anything. Its also really fun to have your gameplay regularly interrupted every night for downtime, guaranteeing that whatever the plan is, that interruption has to be catered around.
Parasites? Its this kind of attitude as to why I left Null, this expectation that I alarm clock on a regular basis or I am seen as ‘not contributing’ and told to go somewhere else. At least in the old days, AU-TZ could reinforce a POS with a single siege cycle of dreads and set it up for a follow on attack in the bigger time zones. Citadels removed that possibility.
It is amusing to be derided on one hand, whilst on the other so many EU/NA groups tank their timers to AU and bitterly complain about how frustrating it is to have to deal with each other doing so.
If there was anything to desire of a permanent ESS, its that the ‘payout’ mechanism is time zone agnostic. In the very least, they need to be worth something to the owner of the system, since passive moon ore was removed, owning space is only good for building supers and having a name on a map.
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