Sorry not today.
Segue have a proper place and time. It isn’t today.
The remainder of today I will be an observer.
That is not an answer to a rebuttal towards your own ambiguous, ad-hominem claim.
Your mode seems to be to throw an accusation out, without explanation, and hope others carry it forward for you, whilst you hide (as an observer) thus superficially relieving you of the burden to answer for it.
The sedgeway is of your own contrivance, not mine.
My post is addressed to you, in response to you, to my post.
Answer it.
Your attempt to force me onto the defensive with an unsubstantiated claim, the rebuttal to which you also refuse to answer, doesnt work.
Making me explain the above and below is part of your dishonesty.
I have to waste time calling you on your crap, whilst you take no responsibility.
You try to make me look like the pedantic asshole, whereas it is you that failed to follow the guidelines of discourse in the first place.
TLDR: Tactic to shut down thread via derailment, rather than remaining on topic or taking responsibility for your own unsubstantiated assertions.
Sadly it’s not that easy, I could write a basic bot in an hour that completely randomizes input times and bypasses that system entirely. Most bots already do this, and have since the mid 2000’s.
All in all looks like increasing the rewards for nullsec PvE was one of those “woudn’t it be cool if…?” ideas.
We don’t know what’s going on exactly at CCP, but it feels like they’re being overwhelmed. They need to do more than they can and things are slowly going down in random bursts.
No, using phrases like “guidelines of discourse” makes you look like a pedantic asshole. Using 10 paragraphs to say “put up or shut up” makes you look like a pedantic asshole. Gawddamn man. Get out of your own head.
This is accurate.
Bots can be programmed to mirror player behavior.
Thats why I propose the following:
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CCP should investigate persistent activity levels that exceed the normal capacity of a human to maintain. Any account sending client data to the server 23/7 is a dead give-away. That is humanly impossible.
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Implement a bot-test system, using the EVE UI/clients capacity, that cannot be solved by a bot, without a human at the PC doing so. This strikes at the greatest weakness for botters, which is when they are afk, which typically is when most botters run their bots.
perhaps they wouldn’t be overwhelmed if they didn’t fire 2/3 of their staff…company started with around 600 and now we have less than 200.
Game is simply rotten to the core by unprincipled individuals, the kind that just doesn’t give a ■■■■ and would rather stay the same course until the game burns out entirely, and simply move on to the next.
Human refuse at best.
Not sure wtf else one can expect to be done about it…even CCP…
Goodluck with it.
For as long as there isn’t somekind of RL consequence set with RL authorities, like an appropriate Real Money fine or something, for those that are effectively inflicting long term damage to CCP’s business, nothing will change.
Personally, I think a drastic change of EULA rules is in order, with something along the lines of a minimum 1000 $ fine or the RL money equivalent and reimbursment to CCP for the ammount of isk botted, would be a start towards appropriate measures, and make more than a few run away with tails between their legs.
The likelihood of that ever happening though, is close to zero.
Also, what if I told you that CCP never have done anything so drastic to tackle it, simply because they were most likely in on a cut of the whole RMT thing and depend on “some” of its RLM revenue or generous monthly “tips” to survive ?
Of course it might be totally absurd to think so, but lets at least allow ourselves to let that sink in a second…
And watch out for that dog spinning around eating its own tail.
If you deliberately factor out set-up times and assume unlimited demand, then you’re right, but that’s not reality. The Russians have their nullsec RMT farm set up and moving it to another game, even if they had any interest to do so, is not as easy as just snipping a finger. Botting and RMTing aren’t solely limited to professional RMT farmers that farm across dozens of games simultaneously for a living.
Goonswarm, too big to fail (also CCPs favorite pet).
Well, if you take rising Plex and dependence of the average-joe to micro-transactions for isk, and the fact it’s CCP’s clear and chosen direction for the game, then maintaining a long term and constant Isk inflation would be the way to go no ?
the problem with botting is that anything you can do, a proper bot could do better. Pretending to be a human included. A reasonable solution against botting is yet to be found. It is an arms race that any MMO publisher has to participate in - unfortunately not a problem “money can fix”, no matter what uneducated peeps on forums claim. Money can increase the ammount of bots detected, sure, but preventing botting? Nope.
The best thing you can do is to provide evidence for it. Screaming “Bot” anytime someone flies a VNI or a super will cause more harm than good. Doesn’t mean CCP can’t do anything about it because a lot of bots are easy to spot (maybe ISK made by activity X per IP?), but everytime you find one “trace” to follow, bot-coders can abuse it to make their bots better.
I think CCP should make a separate client that specifically asks people to allow them to scan RAM. At least, you could opt in and CCP could rule things out - not sure if the legal framework provides for it though.
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Or they could just see with RL law if it’s at all possible to catch the players at the source as they install the game, and re-write the EULA a bit, along with harsher measures than just a bannable offense, ie: including RL fines and damages reimbursment, if you bot, or RMT.
We cant stop botting, but harsher deterrence at the source simply needs to happen.
Any lawyers around here ?
Edit: Because if something like this were to happen, I would happily hunt these ■■■■■■■ down ingame, and with a huge smile on my face.
to my knowledge, there is a legal framework for damages due to RMT’ing (actually selling the goods these players do not own), but it will likely vary by country and country law > EULA, always.
I know that it’s already hard to BAN people for RMT in some countries, but fines for using a Bot? I doubt there is a framework for it in any country.
Well thats too bad then. So long Eve.
Forget about it.
RMT sites/sellers are nigh impossible to track down IRL, let alone bring to justice in any jurisdiction.
Just last week I was helping my sister deal with an issue of a website linking her copyrighted images, as well as being shown in google image search to their site, and selling them as downloads. This week I reviewed the situation and the site was already taken down. The website is gone and there is no way to reimburse my sister for use of her copyrighted images. The best I could do was obviously send a complaint to the site, report the images, as linked to her content (and watermarked/copyrighted) to Google and contact the domain name registrar for the site regarding them providing a url to a service selling copyrighted material. I doubt it was me that caused the website to shut-down, but it did nonetheless.
TLDR: You can forget about legal recourse. They are gone before you can arrange an international jurisdiction case, not that that would be possible in the first place.
My guess is if you’re looking for an extra buck in RL, start botting/RMTing as well ?
While it still lasts…
I dont have any interest in botting or RMT.
I dont want to break any rules.
The key is CCP cracking down on them by evolving their own means to detect them.
Thereafter the TOS/EULA gives them a water-tight case to engage even just suspected botters/RMT with impunity.
Why do you think that harms my argument in any way?
I am not sure why you think that is relevant to this discussion?