Yes, sometimes people lose in a video game. Is this new to you? This is part of EVE. I don’t understand why you want to remove the possibility to lose something from a huge part of the game, it is a core aspect of this game that you are nowhere 100% save.
If you have trouble to make yourself save feel free to ask for advice instead of blaming the game in which case we will gladly help you.
IMHO, High sec is relatively safe… even for miners….
As long as you Don’t mine alone afk in this shinny paper tank Hulk, a new player will rarely be ganked because it is not Worth it… if the area is populated by CODE or others gankers, they are so many others quiet place in HS where so people could live peacefully. And at the same time, anyway, this game is not meant to be played afk, even mining….
So high sec is relatively safe for a new player and this should be his home by the time he developp his skills, even more if he is not part of a corporation…
The problem is that most new players wants the big rewards quickly without facing the conséquences…. Everyday, I see newbee players entering our low secs with procurer and covetors, without expériences, without skills. Being in an NPC corp, they won’t even learn the ropes of the game because there are no mentors to teach them… Of course those guys are easy targets….
when we are in good mood, we just tell them to go back to the closest HS because this area is Dangerous…. When we are up for kills, they sadly lose their ship….
Nowt new there, but there again it’s from someone that insists that:
Despite all the evidence pointing the contrary, much of it coming from new players that didn’t know any of the above.
im a new player and all these points are one of the reasons i joind eve online! <3
To be honest, the people who do not know about this things are mostly willingly ignoring those facts.
Spend a couple of times in “Rookie help” and just watch how often, stuff like ganking get´s mentioned. One of the most frequent questions there is how to activate the AP. The common response is not to use it, because it´s making you an easy target and people in that context alwasy add the information that you can be shot anytime, anywhere and that it´s perfectly legal in regards to the rules of the game.
And it´s not like that is a channel that is hidden somewhere in the menus and that one needs to be a rocket scientist to find it. If new players think they don´t need the help and willfully ignore a channel like that where those basics get mentioned 100+ times every day, they only can blame themselves.
It is not the fault of the game, it is not the fault of the players taking an opprotunity to get a kill, the fault is with the people who fail to use the vast amount of ressources that are available.
And on top of that quite often I used to come across new players that ask questions and then act as if they know better and refuse to listen.
On that part I have a nice little story to share from my last “visit” in EvE, which is hard to believe that things like that actually do happen.
So somewhere between 6 and 9 month ago I got hit by the nostalgia bug and fired up EvE. I was just casually running some missions, while mostly focussing on “Rookie help” doing the usual copy and paste thing (like most more serious helpers in there I have my own FAQ document with replies to just paste into the chat, as to be able to reply to as many ppl as possible and not leaving questions without a reply).
While trying to help the new pilots, a 20 day old guy asks about fitting advice for his “Navy Raven” he was running missions with. While his fitting was not very good in regards to the chosen modules, at had enough bling on it, to even be proftible for ganks. He said that he mostly used faction / Deadspace stuff because he did not have the skills to use T2 Mods…
Other ppl and myself told him to not use that ship, as he clearly was not ready to fly it and that he is just going to lose it in one way or another. He was totally convinced that it could never happen and he went as far as claiming that even other players would not be a threat to him, as long as he stays in high sec.
Now while this was not exactly nice from my side (and this was the first and only time ever I picked somebody from Rookie Help to become my victim) I took it upon myself to teach him a lesson.
So I grabbed a cute innocent looking little ashimmu probed him down, shot his MTU and waited to see what he was doing. At this point I should mention that I was using exactly the same char, which I was using in rookie help, so it was quite obvious that the very same person who warned him before was baiting him.
He went ahead and asked in Rookie help, what he should do, again he was warned not to engage and despite everything… he opened fire… The obvious result, he died without even standing the slightest chance.
Now I did respect him for having the balls to try it, despite all the warnings, but ultimately it was a stupid decision, which would have cost him everything. As he later told me, he put everything he had into that ship and would not have been able to recover from that loss.
Good for him: He did not whine about, he took the loss like a real champ, engaged in a friendly private conversation asked a lot of questions and after that little lesson started to actually listen. Because he was such a good sport about it and his ability to admit that he was wrong, I decided to reimburse him. After all I just wanted to teach him a lesson anyway.
After that he stayed in contact with me for as long as my “visit” to eve lasted and I bet he learned more in that time than he would have learned from any guide or scripted NPE.
Now whoever has followed this little story up to this point should not just point fingers at me of what kind of evil person I am, for taking advantage of a newbie like that. Let it sink in and reflect upon all the things that happened there. If you really think about that little story there are plenty of lessons to learn from it.
i read it all and its a really nice Story! this is how mmos should be!
u showd him his mistakes, and he wasnt mad and learnd from u!
THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE!! we dont need carebear tutorial systems or no pvp zones for new players!
just play the game, be friendly and try to learn and adapt!!
u dont change the rules in football because other players are better than u!
u learn from better players and train up ur skills!
making the game more easy just will ruin it for everyone and the people who cry for these carebear changes will just quit anyway doesnt matter how easy u make the game!
the nr1 rule for any mmo dev should be, always focus on ur target audience and dont try to ruin the whole game just to make a handfull of casual play for some weeks/months until they quit and go to the next hyped up mmo! these people wont stop crying and these people will never stay forever they just follow a hype or some friends/streamers etc 
i think alot of the new players get scared with the fact that eve is a complex game and that there is alot to learn,… well after playing alot for the last weeks/months i must say the learning curve isnt that hardcore.
the best thing is just take ur time, learn it step by step and u will find that eve is one of the most awesome and best mmos we have on the market atm!
highsec is pretty safe for new players! for my taste its too much safe! i would love if ccp would remove concord!
the real probem is that the new/young generation of players! they want fast/big rewards for no efforts and godmode for every aspect of the game.
if they die in anyway the game is bad, not them!
ccp should just remember, if they change any core systems of the game in favor for these ‘casual’/carebear’ players they gonna kill eve!
never change the core system if u dont want to lose 90% of ur playerbase
The irony in this statement.
And yet mr crendraven followed your philosophy of ‘focus on grinding isk for income first, fun after’ and crashed and burned straight away.
Because you’re still missing the point. You still obsess over a ‘start-up process’ involving isk/hour even though every new players that prioritises this whines about not competing with vets and never lasts.
And on the opposite end of the scale, new players that focus on having fun and playing with others can compete with vets and stick around longer.
Players wanting MOAR isk and MOAR safety dont stay. They got exactly what they want in incursions, abyss space and wardec nerfs and they STILL don’t stay. The data released by ccp supports this. 80% of players just ‘level up their raven and quit’ even before they find any pvp at all. Mr crendraven above, had no interest in interacting with others and would never have lasted more than a couple month.
Instead the people that are sticking around are not so focused on wealth. They join in with others, get stuck into the sandbox and focus on fun. This is supported by ccp’s data and both the noobs and vets in this thread.
I can only hope you don’t interact with new players elena. You’ve got the worst possible idea, the worst possible attitude and the worst possible message for new players. You are more likely contributing the eves low retention rate instead of helping.
i still dont get why these kind of people play mmorpgs anyway?
even if ccp would change/destroy the whole game for people like him he would still quit the game after some weeks/months because the core of any mmorpg is social interaction and gameplay with other human beings!! if u dont like this dont play mmorpgs!!
thats why singleplayer games still exist 
There is nothing wrong with people playing solo in MMORPGs in general. The problems just start when they expect and even demand the game to be changed in their favor.
Eve isn’t a game for everyone. Some people can’t handle what eve demands and that’s fine. Go play something you actually enjoy instead of whining about how the game is not spoonfeeding you everything. It’s easy as that.
Exactly.
Changes have already been made to accommodate them and it’s had the opposite effect than what they said it would.
i 100% agree!
Your opening paragraph is a mysterious. We haven’t met outside this thread, and suddenly out of the blue, a ridiculous “ad hominem” …
… so I suppose we’ve already met, and this is the “big reveal” /lol.
Actually you haven’t made any useful points about income. I’ve tested everything I said - these “50 shades of denial” arguments don’t interest me at all.
I also know that someone who already understands EVE has no great difficulty generating enough income to play the game as it is - but it’s completely irrelevant to a discussion about new players. EVE isn’t unusually complex, but it has a exceptionally steep learning curve - it’s natural that experienced players ave a large competitive advantage compared to new players during the startup period.
Where did this come from? The topic is being swamped by the usual group of relentlessly destructive posters, and suddenly you’re slipping in unrelated nuggets of “negative information” from the “bittervet narrative”.
BTW: Rookie Help ks one of the few good things about the startup process for new players, but it was there when EVE was growing, and it hasn’t changed appreciably, if at all, during the period where “new player retention” stopped being a taboo subject.
It’s good, but it’s not enough.
Sorry you suck so badly…maybe spend lest time crying here and more time learning…
You need a better hobby, the one you have is unrewarding, we just think you’re a prick.
All you do is whine though…hardly anything we’re not used to as the entitled pilots of NE like yourself love cry here when they have their feelings hurt.
It would be great if you actually tried forming a cohesive though now and then but that might be too much to ask.
What you mean to say is that the zookeepers got pissed at you poking the animals and banned you from entering; so here you are.
What he means is that his life is so pathetic, posting in a forum for a game he hates is his hobby.
Sad and pathetic. It’s all he has.
Allright you get one more reply out of me…
First of all, just because I did not take part in your shitflingings with other posters in the past it does not mean that I have not been reading a large part of the threads where you have been doing it.
The 2nd thing you quoted is a reply to the post right above it.
In a place like this I expect people to disagree with my non-mainstream positions. But you cannot have any evidence that I lie in the forums.
Note: “I don’t lie in forums” NEQ “I never make mistakes in forums”
This:
Is just a random stinger. If you’d stopped after the first sentence, or pointed out some of the real disadvantages of playing solo, I wouldn’t have reacted.
BTW: did you even consider the message in your last anecdote? “Rookies make rookie-mistakes”?
Or perhaps “Rookies make rookie-mistakes, young rookies are even more likely to make rookie-mistakes than adults”?