Yet it proves that you are wrong : having several choices does not mean you are not forced.
Your previous claim was extremely idiotic.
This proposal is about forcing people to move away from Jita, using taxes as the leverage.
Wow OP expanded the title lol. Yeesh
only thing that got proofen is that your has a wierd logic and your logic is idiotic
having choices means per definition your not getting force
btw …as you want to claim it as a choice …
its NOT a choice ! this is extortion
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No, I don’t claim that. I claim that even if some people will leave Jita and/or some new Traders who decide to make another hub their main trading base, there will still be more than enough volume in Jita to supply all demand there is. You try to argue hat you can’t fit your ship in Jita anymore because you won’t be able to purchase your hull, propmod and weapons there at the same time? Really? I call that just nonsense? Even a quite big tax difference would probably not redirect more than like 10% off Jita in total trade volume, at best.
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removed some off topic.
That’s the goal of your proposal : to force people out of Jita. The effect is that the market would be spread, so buyers also would have to spread.
The market became centralized because it’s better for buyers and sellers alike. I’m not against the market being less centralized, I’m against forcing it.
Where do those numbers come from ?
and nobody is forcing … like it was said before a few times !
Nobody is forcing anyone. You can repeat that as often as you want. Offering tax discounts (or other incentives, but we simply don’t have such complex mechanicsms as in real life in EVE) are part of the global economy for centuries. It’s really not like someone pointing a gun on your head saying “put one more order into Jita market and I will shoot you!”, thats a completely wrong comparison. If you can manage to sell the same amount of items elsewhere, you will just have saved some tax, nothing more.
I repeat my question: Do you really believe that you couldn’t go to Jita and buy a ship, a propmod and some weapons at the same time any more if we had the taxes in Jita a bit higher than the taxes in Amarr? Because it feels like you are being afraid of some complete market collapse over a bit of tax. It’s not like anyone tries to implement a 50% sales tax in Jita vs 0.2% Tax in Amarr.
15 years of experience buying and selling stuff in different trade hubs. Jita will not break over a dynamic tax as long as the tax difference is balanced and reasonable. I have not seen a single argument so far that would make a Jita market collapse a likely scenario. And it really doesn’t matter if the amount of trade going away from Jita will be 6%, 9.8%, 12.3% or exactly 10%. It won’t be market breaking.
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@Syzygium you cant discuss with him ! he always want to be the smarter one but cant understand if he´s wrong ! and then he will try to turn your words or start a new discussion … something offtopic and then he called you that youre offtopic
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So you have the choice between losing money and moving out.
That’s called forcing people out.
And just because the government does it, does not mean it’s not force. Economical power is still power. Taking actions in order to make people act a way they would not is power, when there is an associated threat, is to use force.
You are correct though that increasing the global taxes and using tax reduction instead would not be felt as force even though it is practically the same.
That is your proposal. It’s not even about belief. It’s what you are proposing.
You want people to move out of Jita. The result of people moving out of Jita is that they will be less buyers and less sellers, so less trades in Jita, until it reaches an equilibrium. So yes your proposal implies that there will be more shortages.
So you’re telling me you already experienced this situation ?
Because it looked to me you were actually using random numbers that could fit your narrative.
When CCP decided to make structure have less tax than stations, how many people moved from Jita to Perimeter ?
Almost the whole plex traders moved. Because not moving was synonym of dying.
you need to pay taxes everywhere so you will always lose money oO and no, you still dont get forced to move to other tradehubs xD you still can sit in jita and pay the little bit mor etax but you have the better trade volume so you dont lose money at all … its mirrored because of the trade volume you have way more income then in other tradehubs !
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No it’s not. It is giving people options to sell more volume at a shorter time, but paying more tax. Or moving stuff to another hub, sell less or sell slower, but paying less tax. No force at all.
Please, you don’t even need to respond any more. I have made my points, you disagree, thats fine. I am not convinced by anything you said so far and that probably won’t change any more. So for the sake of keeping the topic clean from some kind of ‘private arguing’, I will stop at this point. Count that as a ‘win’ if you like, it isn’t. I am still convinced a dynamic tax system would benefit the game and that point isn’t going to change soon. Arguments delivered above.
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You are still not explaining that.
How would forcing people out of Jita improve the game ?
What is the actual benefit ?
Let’s say that they go for a third in Perimeter, for a third in Maurasi, and the last third in New Caldari. Nobody remains in Jita. What good does it do ?
People are now given a choice to congregate in Jita or to seed other markets. What good thing would it add to force that choice ?
yes he did ! you need to lern reading … and understanding what you read !
only you are talking about forcing ppl out of jita ! nobody else did ! and only as you imagine you think that anybody did it, its still in your head … !
he explained it before …
who´s talking abut these systems ? nobody … as i said before … its only in your head ! and your head isnt the best if you want to believe something !
oooo he flagged that with alts just because of a word stu**d lol
who is “he” ?
and maybe its for a reason ? maybe your post was only ranting or offtpic or insult other ppl ? or many other things that can result in have flagged post !
Look, we all know you’re going to shoot them anyway after handing over their wallet… 
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its still not a choice ! and also its a stupid comparison !
he cant understand lot of things ppl are explaining
you of course, the post was insulting you, rightfully so
So one has to be an current or former EVE developer to be able to see it from their point of view? Strange logic.
I am obviously not. I am an admin/developer/GM in another game where I host my own server and despite I am here as a player I am trying to see things from a global point of view. Now you will of course start arguing I am not. As I said, you are just a troll, no point of discussing with you.
and there is the reason of the flag 
but i dont flag posts ! i dont care if you insult me i can handle this !
yes if you say this :
you cant see it from a dev site because you arent a dev !
other games are not eve … other games hasnt game mechanics like eve … other game are … OTHER GAMES !
you say others … quote this 2nd time :
you dont gave a base for a discussion oO
which point should i discuss ?