EVE Online Ecosystem Outlook

[Arrendis]

@Litsea_Reticulata

Perhaps limiting capitals from engaging in enosis mechanics would be a start ( fax enosis is just riddiculous, even with a 5x time penalty ) and reduce their necessity for territorial ambitions, though I think it needs to be more drastic, since the net effect of the super umbrella is protection of other sources of income, not just to pew pew.

Fax entosis has nothing to do with why supercapitals are required for taking and holding sov. Here’s why they’re necessary:

Because they have an ungodly amount of EHP, and do an ungodly amount of damage. So when there’s a fight over a structure, and the defenders show up to chase off your HAC fleet… you drop 200 titans on them. And you drop another 200 supercarriers a good 1,000km away and let your friendly Command Destroyers chain-bounce the fighter wing across the gap, even now.

They’re necessary because when—not if—that happens, the only effective response there is… is for the enemy to drop their supercapital fleet, and hope it’s bigger.

It has absolutely nothing to do with entosis.

[Edit: Oh, and as far as ‘only target 1 size lower’… welcome to smartbombing titans. A large SB doesn’t look like it’s got a huge radius, right? Now put it on an 18km-long Leviathan. Fit half a dozen of them. On 200 titans. See what that does to a hostile HAC fleet, and just how fast it does it.]

@Litsea_Reticulata

It would have been better if CCP exempted mining boosts from the on-grid changes, or limited the number of active industrial cores in a site.

Except, as I’ve said before, the real issue is mobility. Especially with these changes, it will be more important than ever for mining ships to be able to move around to get to the next place to mine. And no, mining fleets aren’t going to gate around. That’s just suicidal—and slow. So you can either use a bridging titan… or just put everyone in Rorqs. Poof. That need for mobility isn’t going to change… but, like I said in another thread:

@Arrendis

Dont’ get me wrong, active moon mining is good. Passive moon mining was utter crap that let people make money for doing nothing once the POS was set up. If you want the ISK, you should have to actually work for the ISK. Spent time out in space where you can get shot at. Ideally, you’d do that in a ship that doesn’t sit on an obscene amount of local tank… like an Exhumer. But it needs to be able to get around to all the moons you need to mine.

More importantly… so does the pilot . Right now, you can put the ships in a rorq and jump it, but then the miners need to interceptor around, which takes longer and frankly, is annoying—the interceptor can’t be stashed in the Rorq when you get there, so everyone wastes time docking and swapping ships back and forth. And when you’ve got dozens of moons to deal with… that wasted time adds up. So people just spend more ISK to get into Rorqs and jump themselves around.

Now, if Rorqual Clone Bays (which are a thing, but NOBODY uses them) could let people JC around without the 19-24h timer? That’d do it, too, but that would be massively abuseable. Rorqs would basically be a low-cost invasion platform. Just carry the beach-head ships in a carrier or fax, and JC to the Rorq. So it’s probably not the best option.

Enter the Industrial Bridge. Bridge around industrial ships—miners, haulers, etc—with a Rorqual. (And FFS, remove the ability for BlOps to jump to Industrial Cynos, cuz that’s just dumb . ) Remove Excavators. Poof!! Now the Exhumer w/Rorq support is the premier mining ship for nullsec, instead of massive groups of 400+ Rorquals.

@Litsea_Reticulata

Cause who wants to log into ‘Get blobbed online’.

Welcome to human nature? The easiest way to beat someone up has always been ‘bring more friends’.

@Litsea_Reticulata

No. Some space has inherent strategic advantage, like say having 150+ systems with in jump range of a single point.

Except that’s a simultaneous disadvantage, too. Because that means that central point is able to be attacked from all those places, too.