because you think that people who took large amount of time preparing for incursions, could enjoy the retard gameplay of “kill rats and somebody else gets the benefit” ?
They rather leave than give money to other people. Not that they mind giving money - but it’s about choosing a gameplay, not a boring method to kill oneself.
gag as much as you want. If you don’t realize that incursion is a social activity, then it’s on you.
For information, I don’t do incursion anymore, but I still have my fits. I still realized that yes, this is likely death for incursion activity, and so for the people who took the time to have pimp fits, to play together, to organize fleets, to make forum posts, mail lists, etc.
It’s the third isk faucet with… 9% of the isk production. sorry this “3rd isk faucet” means nothing at all. I read you, and I did not seen such stupidity since I looked at my teenagers.
@CCP_Falcon The Triglavian Encryption methods skill only has a 4x multiplier. This is inconsistent with the other invention skills (including the other encryption method skills), which all have a 5x multiplier. Thus, I’m assuming that this is a mistake.
Incursions ours alone lmao what are you babbling about you are welcome to come fly them with any group that fits you shield/armour etc.
You are also welcome to start up your own group anytime you want.
We don’t mind a bit of competition for spawns the current nerf just went too far cramming everyone in one spawn not to mention the dt between spawns now.
As for ninja Salvaging I have no problems with people doing this. I do however have a problem with the lack of counterplay.
I am quite capable of soloing the content, but why? I didn’t come up with this silly “pay” system. Salvage? Seriously the ONE thing that doesn’t trigger crimewatch on a high sec only event?
I am only really interested in the mats, so bothering with fleets, and trying to buy out the loot (I did actually try that and was told no, the leader had to sell it first).
Nope.
At least last week moving the ships 30 jumps at a time just to have the Invasion poof as I got into system? …and that was going with very heavy very blinged out crap so I needed to tie up a second account hauling?
Nope.
If CCP can’t think through their own changes, that isn’t neither my problem nor my concern. Don’t hate the player hate the game.
The more people bellyache about ninjas the more likely CCP is to do something about it.
Is there gonna be a Triglavian Salvager that can only be used to salvage the wrecked bio-cache in an Abyss? I think there should be that would allow for small amounts of K-Space Triglavian salvage to be taken from the bio-cache wrecks.
Can’t wait until stage 2 and stage 3 of the Invasion takes place.
Boy is the summer and fall gonna be burning with Triglavian yearning…
Draugr - Gheesh, Dryson can you get any…nice joke.
This Incursion Nerf where there is now only 1 HS incursion Focus was really stupid.
I understand it’s to reduce isk income, but there’s like 4-5 Fleets all crammed into one system now, there isnt enough (Headquarter) sites to go around which means sites get contested more often and it makes for a really miserable experience.
Not to mention that now to relocate we have to end up flying 20+ jumps to the next focus.
Now suddenly, the Invasions are not even a slight challenge anymore.
A few days back I saw a fleet of Triglavians that made me think “Oh ■■■■ this is it!” as we engaged them.
12+ Leshaks 10+ Drekavacs and so many Cruisers, Destroyers and Frigs.
Now I can count myself lucky if there’s more than 2 Vedmaks on field.
What the hell did you do CCP? You finally created challenging and fun group PvE content and now nobody is running it anymore because you turned it into yet another safe carebear experience.
I literally resubscribed for challenging content. Please un-nerf invasions.
The worst part is that the nerf amplifies the further from the foothold you get. The foothold gets camped like hell for what little fleets can be had, the neighboring systems get fought over for the few scraps you can get, and the perimeter system are ghost towns.
But the point is, you can’t defend your loot since the ninja salvager gets no suspect flag. Is the pilot doing the invasion supposed to get their ship Concorded?
The alternative is to have a ganking alt - but then you’re forcing me to have a second account just to be able to participate. It’s easier to just not bother in the first place.
Make the salvager go yellow, and that not only makes it fair to the site runner, but also means the salvager needs to invest in and risk a hull. And you’re creating more fights.
Salvage isn’t Loot. Your loot is being protected by ownership rights indicated by the colour of the wreck. The ninja salvagers take space litter (as said in the lore), but not your loot. Taking loot causes a suspect flag, taking space litter doesn’t.
You do not need to defend your space litter. If you cared about keeping it, you would salvage it first. You don’t. Salvaging is a profession that’s easy for new players to get into, making them a nice buck on a path outside of the boring, scripted path by CCP. If you want to insist that shooting new players, who are merely salvaging your wreck, is a good idea … by all means, say it.
But sure, not all salvagers are new players. You don’t mind the potential collateral anyway, because you don’t actually care about anything but yourself. Anyway, considering that you’re already getting your facts wrong in the very first sentence, do I actually have to go on?
No, no one’s forcing you to anything. If you don’t want the ninja salvager to take the salvage, all you need to do is salvaging it first or paying someone else to do it for you.
You should feel ashamed about yourself.
200 Million ISK for anyone who pops this guy’s ship,
as long as his ship is worth more than 200 Million ISK + insurance.
Should be easily doable, considering he’s a farmer.
Wouldn’t it be simpler just to move the value from salvage to loot drops? Instead of nerfing a new player friendly profession yet again? If there was a problem that is.
It’s perfectly fine that some loot belongs to the player that exploded the NPC and some is not and I’d rather first-come-first-served. It makes for more player interactions. I’m willing to consider that the balance isn’t correct in this specific case for some reason, but there is nothing wrong with diversity of rewards especially such that gets players on grid and interacting together.
I don’t know - only CCP has the data - but I get the sense very little is really going to the ninjas. People just really don’t like thieves, even if they are only claiming a tiny fraction of the loot. Any amount of shrinkage is too much for the farmer. So we get a bunch of noise.
This decision to award the loot as salvage is clearly intentional, and while I am sure they are monitoring feedback, I also don’t expect them to change this. Who knows though - the shrieking of the farmers has swayed them before so I don’t blame people for trying.
Anything you kill under normal conditions is your loot, that includes salvage.
With the invasion wrecks/loot isn’t classed as your loot, even wrecks with cargo within, this is the issue, you can’t protect your kill loot without been concorded. And ninja looters are free to do what they want, we can’t web them and let the Trig kill them or kill them ourselves without being concorded. The whole thing makes it a question thing to be bothered with if you can’t get the loot/salvage fast enough to bet these ninja looters.
When you think about the amount of isk invested in ships to kill trigs vs the isk invested in a ninja looter ship, massive difference. And who get the most isk from the event atm, not the ones that invested time and isk in fighting the trig.
That is factually wrong. You can not just make a claim that’s directly opposite to the facts as if your opinion on how it should be automatically is a fact. It ■■■■■■■ isn’t.
If salvage was yours, people couldn’t freely salvage it.
It is not theft just because you created the wreck.
You own the loot, not the wreck.
Look it up or file a ticket, if you don’t believe me.
In any case do you have zero evidence for your claim …
… and actual ingame reality also disagrees with you.
Feeling entitled to it doesn’t make it yours.
It’s mine if I want to take it.
Considering that wrecks and loot aren’t the same thing, despite you apparently trying to declare them as the same (see “wrecks/loot” in your post) I really don’t feel like there is any need to continue.
From this point on you’re only going to make it worse,
so I’m going to opt out of this.
While I applaud CCP for making the great loot from these salvages to change things up a bit… it has clearly failed. Salvaging has become a free for all mess. I don’t see any fix for it outside of flagging suspect for salvaging yellow wrecks, but that could have deeper consequences.
I’m sorry, are you saying incursions are retarded gameplay? I think your making a reference to invasions here, not incursions, can’t be sure. My post did not reference invasions at all, so I don’t see how that relates to my post.
I don’t have any idea what you are trying to communicate here.
ALL of Eve is a social activity. Incursions runners do not get any sort of protected status.
Calling an idea you dont agree with stupid. Clearly you are a debate master.