EVE Online: Revenant - Expansion Notes

Both my Vargur and Golem are passive Shield tank, with related rigs…

And for the first time in all of my Eve life, I survived a gank in Osmon, thanks to
this one and only shield buff. I would have never survived a 15+ cat gank in the
ol papertank. Back to papertank. Both my fits are useless. Again.

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That is not right. head back immediately so that this can be remedied. Make sure to equip purple mods, that a boy.

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I did, does not change that the data is wrong.

Its not, the mark is the topic of this thread, which is the expansion Revenant, which is pods, if you or anyone else want to compare bombs with this, this is what they are comparing to.

Perhaps you should re-read, you missed several points.

He is not comparing them, but the evolution of the idea.

It does 1% total HP (shield + armor + hull) capped at maximum 1000 Damage Per Second. But it ignore resists, so when you want to compare the damage to an existent weapon, you have to either look at the actual damage applied by the other weapon, or at the damage the pod in theory applies before resists (and avoidance*, but I am going to skip that). The effect last for 75 seconds (max skill stats).

This means that any ship with less than 100k HP (HP not EHP, big buffer for a battleship, normal for a capital), if hit by a pod loses 75% of its HP (HP not EHP - if its shield or armor tanked, it likely lose far more % of EHP).

This is pretty much incomparable to current weapons on a general basis, you have to pick out specific shooters and targets to see how they do in both cases.

For ships with 100k HP or more the cap is 1000 Raw DPS. Which will be compared below.

Keep in mind on top of the pod launcher, the new ships has 3 guns + 3 missiles. The 1 pod launcher, is capable of keeping applied damage to 7 targets - if it has that many in range.

So you can either look at earlier post for the Pod DPS adjusted to match what current weapons need to hit with (actually hit the ship after tracking range etc, but before resists). Or you can look at the raw damage dealt by current weapons.

To get some DPS to compare with can fx take another faction Battle Cruiser Khizriel | CaptainSarge | Killmail | zKillboard which seems to be a fairly high DPS fit. I picked one off zkillboard so you can judge the fit yourself. Don’t troll about my choice - if anyone wants another compare then make it yourself.

741 guns DPS if able to maintain a range of max 2.16km and able to track 100%. (726 + 1% crits of 300% damage). There is also drones, but remember pod ship has 3 guns + 3 missiles too.

Against 0% resists, that is 741 Raw DPS.

Against 50% resists, that is 371 Raw DPS.

Against 80% resists, that is 148 Raw DPS

Against 99% resist (short term modules like Assault Damage Control), 7 Raw DPS. While remaining within 2.16 km, and ships relatively movement low enough to track constantly.

Now weapons should not be the same. and adding a weapon that applies better on high resist targets rather than slow / large targets could be an interesting addition. The problem is just that the damage cap needs to be in the 5-50 Raw DPS range - not 1000, to match other ships of its class / size.

Fx
741 Khizriel 6 guns, - 3 guns to compare to Pod ship = 371 DPS.
And we will then let drones and missiles even out.
Lets say 400 DPS.

So if a pod is to match at fx hitting 3 targets out of the max 7 with 92% resist (capital link boosted resists), pod cap needs to be (400 * 0.08)/3 = ~3 Raw DPS.

If it is match at 99% emergency resist (400 * 0.01)/3 = ~1 Raw DPS.

If the pod is to match at 80% resist then its (400 * 0.2)/3 = ~27 Raw DPS.

Up to everyone to decide of they think the match should be at 1 or 7 targets and what resists etc. The only thing I can say is, a medium ship maintaining 12500 DPS on a single target for lengths of time, is nuts.

  • Tracking / range / destructible ammo / explosion velocity / explosion radius / missile ships have to remain on grid etc.
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Shouldn’t

It should be noted that while only one target can take damage from a damage over time effect at any time, you can place several damage over time effects on different player ships concurrently.

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It should be noted that while a target can take damage from only one damage over time effect at any time, you can place several damage over time effects on different player ships concurrently.

Just a few hours before the Revenant expansion! I can’t wait!! :smiley_cat:

The EVE cluster collapses. :smiling_imp:

:eyes: :psyccp: :thinking:

@Uriel_the_Flame Let’s not get dramatic. Even IF it collapses it can always be brought back up.
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That’s what she said.

:smirk: :innocent: :blush:

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And she knows what she’s talking about :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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I’ve been waiting for a Min/Cald faction for 10 years. And it’s finally coming out… but just a question: There are tons of ships that boost shield resistance and are therefore both passive and active tank. Many that increase the shield booster and therefore its active tank. And very few that increase the shield quantity for passive tanks only. Why did you choose a favored shield bonus that is already too common?

I don’t think the shields are the sought-after aspect…

No long DT despite expansion day. Fascinating.

It’s always easier to criticize than create.

That is the argument of a simple mind. Constructive Criticism requires a lot more skill than creating something. You need to check all kinds of variables and issue sources, you need to be able to adequately explain things to people stuck in their ways so that they see a problem as a problem and not a feature, you need to be able to adequately demonstrate the issue, and you need to be able to explain solutions.

Creating Something™ is by far the easier task because you can do whatever you want.

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Another release. Another big dislike. Shitty combat sites. Nothing to orbit, nothing to even select, plenty to bump into. Yet another game mechanic that was altered for no apparent reason other than make it more complicated, more abysal-like and less enjoyable. Personal opinion? Sure. Does it matter? It should.

It didn’t collapse, Uriel :innocent:
Told ya she knew what she was talking about :wink: