[Event] The way forward

[Deitra_Vess]

Being a respectful adversary would go well towards not needlessly escalating tensions/war. What would you call reniging on a long held agreement to leave combat to combatants? Had your Empire any class we would not need to worry about civilian casualties being intended.

[Saronu_Yassavi]

@Arrendis

Other’s actions may have provide an underlying cause

To commit willfully antagonistic actions with predictably negative outcomes is not only causal but places some responsibility for the subsequent status quo in your hands. Disagree or do not.

@Arrendis

‘I don’t like how your store treats its workers, I’ll shop elsewhere’.

That’s called a boycott, which is subtly different.

@Arrendis

claiming the RJD was behind the Blooder attack

Had I been claiming that, I’d have been less mealy mouthed than ‘had a hand in’. They do however have a propensity to arm slaves, whether this had happened on Kahah prior to blooder involvement cannot really be asked to anyone other than the RJD. The depth of whose operations within the Empire have been opaque to say the least

@Arrendis

they sure bid us to attack them in Colelie

I’m not saying you have adequate impulse control, but in economic policy. You cannot afford to be anything other than in lockstep with them.

[Arrendis]

@Saronu_Yassavi

They do however have a propensity to arm slaves

The slaves on Kahah were rounded up into their residential zones and subjected to artillery bombardment. The vast majority of those shelled were not armed. Those who took up arms under the influence of Deathglow were a)using hand weapons and small arms seized during the initial riots, and b)UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF FREAKING DEATHGLOW.

You cannot claim the RJD had a hand in fomenting an uprising that existed purely because of the chemical weapons attack without that meaning the RJD had a hand in the chemical weapons attack itself. Nobody was arming the slaves before the Khanid began their offensives. Capsuleers made attempts to evacuate some slaves in the chaos, but it wasn’t until the reprisals began that attempt to provide those slaves the means to defend themselves kicked in.

@Saronu_Yassavi

I’m not saying you have adequate impulse control, but in economic policy. You cannot afford to be anything other than in lockstep with them.

What makes you think they were the instigators of the sanctions? It’s just as true that they can’t afford us going rogue—the current balance of power pretty much shackles them to us as firmly as it does us to them.

@Saronu_Yassavi

That’s called a boycott, which is subtly different.

Which is a wonderful way of acknowledging that you cannot, in fact, offer any refutation of either the analysis or the analogy of ‘if you stop doing business with me, I’ll shoot your cousin’.

@Saronu_Yassavi

To commit willfully antagonistic actions with predictably negative outcomes is not only causal but places some responsibility for the subsequent status quo in your hands.

You might want to consider the theological implications of that statement before making it in public.

[Anabella_Rella]

Well, I see I’ve found another toxic militant to add to my block list. This slaver Yassavi may use more florid prose than Kim but is equally as extreme and bigoted.

Good riddance.

[Saronu_Yassavi]

@Arrendis

‘if you stop doing business with me, I’ll shoot your cousin’.

Indulging for a moment, your curious fixation with your cousin. It would more be ‘if you picket my front door, I’ll have your cousin work off the inconvenience’.

[Cain_Aloga]

@Saronu_Yassavi

That’s called a boycott, which is subtly different.

The main difference between a boycott and a government sanction, is that a government sanction is a government backed boycott.

[Saronu_Yassavi]

@Cain_Aloga

government backed boycott.

Government enforced

[Arrendis]

@Saronu_Yassavi

It would more be ‘if you picket my front door, I’ll have your cousin work off the inconvenience’.

This might be the case, if a)people were not injured and/or killed in the process of mass enslavement, and b)people were not injured and/or killed while enslaved. [Edit to add: And, for that matter, if the entire process of enslavement weren’t being undertaken with the stated objective of utterly destroying those people and remaking their many-times-great-grandchildren into Amarr.]

And the ‘cousin’ part of the analogy is that the individuals being threatened are not currently in the Republic or Federation, they are simply our kin.

[Saronu_Yassavi]

In any case, nobody really wants your cousin. He’s a likely to kick up a fuss and only really fit for manual labour. I just want the scruffy crowd outside my shop to move on.

I despise metaphors

[Arrendis]

Then stop being so demonstrably stupid that things need to be dumbed down for you.

(This is the danger of telling me you don’t care whether I think of you as dishonest, or as stupid. I definitely gave you the opportunity to specify. If you don’t like being treated as stupid, nobody to blame but yourself. See how that ‘you’re responsible for what you do’ kicks in?)

[Saronu_Yassavi]

Yeah actions do have consequences, my point of particular stupidity was engaging in a discussion with someone who is interested in something else completely.
One easily rectified.

[Arrendis]

Another strong admission that you can’t actually respond to the points made. Very good. Scurry away now.

[zoolkhan]

I beg you, admiral , like I always have, to bear in mind where the real enemy is. There’s Sarum Reclaiming forces on the orbit of Floseswin IV right now .

No begging required, i may be old - but not quite senile yet.

I was merely making clear (or perhaps not so clear) that drunk matari who
interrupted someones speech on a few occations
are not our real problem.

As you so eloquently pointed out - the real enemy is somewhere else.

We are in agreement.

I have not placed a bounty , i just commented on galnet. Take it easy on the stims.

Fly safe