Ever want to start all over?

New Citizens Q&A
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Have you ever wanted to start all over? Just, take your old character with an employment history and your mile long zKillboard and just, burn it all down and start over? What would that look like? Given that I have another character with 70mil SP, I’d love nothing more than to transfer those unused skill points into THIS character and start fresh. Move all the old ISK into this guy, all the SP, fly ships I’ve never flown, explore space I’ve never seen, try things I’ve never tried. You get it.

What would that look like? It seems theoretically possible, but realistically it would be prohibitively expensive. I would need 70mil SP worth of skill extractors, but then are skill extractors deliverable? Could I send them to this character? I know I could send the ISK, but what about the distilled skill points from a dead capsuleer to another?

Is this just a foolish pipedream, or can I get it done?

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I do it almost every day. It’s called having alts and 54 accounts…

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Yes, you can send ISK, extractors, and injectors to other characters.

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You can do it, but yeah, it would be costly.

The biggest issue with skill injection is the diminishing returns.

From the EVE Uni wiki:

  • If you have less than 5 million skillpoints you gain the full 500,000 skillpoints (100%).
  • If you have between 5 - 50 million skillpoints you gain 400,000 skillpoints (80%).
  • If you have between 50 - 80 million skillpoints you gain 300,000 skillpoints (60%).
  • If you have more than 80 million skillpoints you only gain 150,000 skillpoints (30%).

So out of 70m extracted (140 LSIs), you’re only going to get about 55m back (10 @ 500k, 113 @ 400k, and 17 @ 300k). 150 extractors will cost you US$495, but that does seem cheaper compared to buying PLEX, selling for ISK, and buying LSIs.

That said, if you wanted to do it “for free” and you were okay with only getting a fraction of the extracted SP, you can sell half or so of the LSIs you extract to fund the purchase of extractors. That way you only have a seed investment for the first two extractors, and the rest don’t cost you anything but SP.

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Admitting you have a problem is the first step. :wink:

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I think one of the CCP devs had a stream for a while, every few weeks they were starting with fresh toons.

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Or you could just do all those things on your existing toon and not have to worry about injectors at all.

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I was going to say this, but I’ll assume the OP has something about their character they wish they had done differently (name, sex, empire/ethnicity, standings, etc.). Because otherwise, yeah… it doesn’t make much sense. If you want to do something different, just do something different.

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I do this every couple of years, just liquidate the current “main” and start another specialised character, e.g. an Abyss inhabitant or T3C explorer or mining mission runner or whatever appeals to me at the time.

The math isn’t terribly complex, if we assume that a Skill Extractor costs 455 mil. and a Large Skill Injector sells for 810 mil. and you need 130 Skill Extractors to vacuum 65 mil. SP then you can end up with roughly 56 Large Skill Injectors for your new character at no cost, more of course if you have ISK to burn.

>>> import math
>>> 130 - math.ceil(130 * 455_000_000 / 810_000_000)
56

Move your old character to Jita or Perimeter or wherever, buy Skill Extractors until you’re out of ISK, extract SP, sell Large Skill Injectors, repeat. Once done, contract the leftover Large Skill Injectors to your new character and activate them remotely via Assets window.

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:thinking: Recycling alts you don’t need is one thing, but to me, it seems counterproductive to flush your main every couple of years and get half the SP back. And then half again. And then half again… Talk about diminishing returns for instant gratification.

Of course, that’s just me*. YMMV.

* 15+ years on the same main character, now at 365m+ SP.

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If you’re not going to play your main anymore because it’s subjectively bricked due to race or gender or name or past corp membership or combat log or faction standings or security status or behaviour or a myriad of other reasons then not extracting it is obviously a waste of SP.

I could sometimes re-shape it with extractors but I don’t like having a character sheet with a bunch of 0/5 skills in it, it’s aesthetically displeasing to me. Better to just start over and enjoy the small incremental improvements every few days again.

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Sure. I can see that as a one-off, having made some bad choices. But if you get to that point every couple of years..?

My OCD can sympathize. :+1:

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It is for this reason why it is a nonstarter.

I just cannot be arsed with the admin, the cost, and the loss of sp.

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The problem is, the player still brings their knowledge.

You only get to be innocent once.

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I would love to see an EVE 2.0. That would make me want to start over.

As an old player who had to do it the hard way, I would still join 2.0 gladly as my experience means more than any CC.

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True. Also, if you’ve been around for a long time, EVE is always evolving (for better or worse) and will never be what it was whenever you first started.

You can’t go back home to your family, back home to your childhood … back home to a young man’s dreams of glory and of fame … back home to places in the country, back home to the old forms and systems of things which once seemed everlasting, but which are changing all the time – back home to the escapes of Time and Memory.

--You Can’t Go Home Again, Thomas Wolfe

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Reputation is part of the game, up untill your killboard sucks and attracts grief. I wouldn’t want to start again but i appreciate the freedom of a fresh alt.

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