Look, let’s be honest, FW doesn’t have a quick fix or a permanent solution because people will always find a way to game the system. The rules don’t stop them from cheesing their way out. So honestly, if we just start wardecing everyone and bring back real diplomacy in the warzone among the legit players, the whole game would get way better. We are better off going back to diplomacy and tightening the bonds among the people who matter.
We won’t solve everything, but this would be a huge step. For example, if a big null sec alliance is just seagulling and awoxing, we’d actually have the power to wardec their entire alliance without needing a POS. That means we can hunt them down wherever they go, and even punish their alts who aren’t even enlisted. No gate guns, no CONCORD, just pure revenge.
I will never forget, one day we had a hard bf and in the end a dude who we never seen before just landed 18 coraxes in the last minute and burned away lol
What kind of suggestion is this thread? You want war decs between the same militias. It’s not a good one, its a bad one, and it won’t work.
A war cannot be activated until the corporation has a structure. You don’t want structures to be a requirement so therefore it’ll be a endless war.
Nullsec blocks will benefit the most out of this because they can afford the heft 400 mil a month fee to have a war.
This will not fix awoxing, it will make it worse and the whole idea goes against the idea of faction wars. Faction wars is about attacking the opposing faction that is already war deced. You want war decs with the same militia.
It’s dumb, but you will continue to debate this because you won’t accept anything other. There are already ways to attack friendly militia with impunity, you just have to create a dedicated corporation like other awoxers do.
Look at these people running the bf as one fleet, they are one group!
If I could wrdec the pruples I could kill them without the situation of destroying my faction standings and my security status.
Fully enlisted corporations shouldn’t need a structure at all, we are already in eternal war.
The structure requirement was created just to protect highsec corporations, however the militias live in lowsec and CCP shouldn’t have enforced this structure requirement on us because we don’t need highsec protection in lowsec after all!
They just need to make it so you can’t freely awox without being kicked from faction.
Corp or alliance standings shouldn’t protect you.
There doesn’t need to be some big change or complicated new feature, just fix the obvious oversight that’s being exploited.
Thats the sites for 30 players, the site the awoxers and seagulls and farmy frigate pilots love the most, it is also the site where the big fights happen among dozens of capsuleers
But the awoxing farmy groups are bringing multi sided fleets of war targets, militia and neutrals and running seagulling awoxer compaigns
Why do you think wardecing will solve anything? The seaguls will just change corporations. You going to wardec every corp for 400m / month for each corp? nope.
Awoxing is good a lot of times, your own militia is extremely toxic to you and you should have some way of killing them without security or standings loss
lol isnt that nice. no fee for war decs. keep dreamin.
like i said before, you can awox with impunity. just make a private corp, throw some alphas in there with good standing to counter players with -10 standing, and you are free to awox to your hearts desire, or take the time to fix your standing with missions.
I haven’t played eve in almost 4 years, so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt
(most of my premise is based on the idea of direct enlistment being enabled by default for corporations - if it’s not, I apologise, it didn’t exist when I played )
Corporations without full enlistment but with structures in the warzone, or corporations with any Upwell structures anywhere that have individually enlisted members, should be wardecced and assisted by fully enlisted corporations.
If you would let a FW corp freely wardec the corp of any individually enlisted member then couldn’t that be abused to target non-FW corps/HS corps in an unexpected way?
E.g., a group of noob miners/indy people create a corp to avoid NPC taxes etc., You see they are moving stuff that you want to steal. This is fine if they set up a POS they’re getting established, they take that risk. In your scenario, couldn’t I just spin up an alt, trick them into inviting me to their corp. Then I direct enlist, we declare war, they don’t know what’s going on and we’ve destroyed their haulers and mining ships in a way they didn’t know was allowed.
The trickery is in the spirit of Eve, but the change wasn’t meant to enable free ganks on newbies who didn’t understand.
Nowadays there is the new thing that is enlisting yourself individually into FW without having to join a fully enlisted militia corp, this is called direct enlistment so you can play FW without leaving your corp and friends behind.
This would no be abusable because the way I wrote this would let a fully enlisted corp wardec any fully enlisted corp (player or npc) without needing to anchor an upwell structure. The second thing would be a fully enlisted corporation wardec any already wardecable corp (they have any structure, upwell or any ot the other structures) if this wardecable corp has at least one enlisted member, this wardec wouldnt require an upwell from the attacker militia corp.
So:
militia wardecs militia: it is fine, both are en eternal wars, they signed for war
militia wardecs an already wardecable corp: still fine, the defenders were wardecable already
The big change is that the fully enlisted militia corporation would be able to wardec any corp that fit in those two scenarios without having to anchor an upwell, ando also would be allowed to wardec the npc corporations from your own militia.
I am not against for example the a fully enlisted corporation from the cadmil to wardec the npc corp from minmil or amarrmil or any of the already fully enlisted player corporations from all four empires or any of the other pirate group that belongs to the other warzone:
caldari/gallente: has guristas
amarr/minmatar: has angels
Think about it: this would also allow a small fully enlisted corporations to wardec, without having an upwell, any of the lowsec/nullsec big alliances who are already wardeccable but they are having their fingers in the warzone. Example: farmy awoxer seagulling Fraternity farmers who are annoying everybody (guristas, angels, amarrs, etc etc) will take a wardec from a small fully enlisted corp.
People will sign for the David and Goliath experience, I want to see the everyday small guy punching up oppressors.
This would also allow us to deal with horrible people in our own militias. Some corporations awoxing in all encounters and they have padding alts with positive standings, so they never get booted out the militia. So with the negative alts they awox and their positive alts they will seagull in barely fitted frigates.
But if we could wardec them for long periods we could hold them off without better, specially by killing all their positive standing seagulls
Corporations that have for example 10 alts being 5 with negative standings and 5 with positive standings rely on the fully enlisted criteria (the old way) and since they are fully enlisted they would be subject to the civil war rules and would be attacked by other fully enlisted corporations from any of the empires/pirates.
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