Thats a total different scenario. I wanted only to adress the problem of people entering your plex, grabbing parts of your payment while not doing anything, but you also can’t drive them out because that would give you huge standing hits.
If you can’t hold the plex because a blob pushes you out… well, then you don’t deserve the payment I guess. Every DED runner or miner has the same problem, if the blob comes, you leave and they take the content. It isn’t like it is your plex to farm.
Annoying yes but it gives something for others to actually fight for which is important.
Subject: A LOT of LP thief in Angel 30-man Site
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
My corporation fleet spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site. Our fleet fully cleared all enemies and progressed to the final stage of the site through legitimate PvE gameplay.
Shortly before completing the final objective, a large number of frigates warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our fleet.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
good idea,and CCP should do this immediately.
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
My corporation fleet spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site. Our fleet fully cleared all enemies and progressed to the final stage of the site through legitimate PvE gameplay.
Shortly before completing the final objective, a large number of frigates warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our fleet.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
My corporation fleet spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site. Our fleet fully cleared all enemies and progressed to the final stage of the site through legitimate PvE gameplay.
Shortly before completing the final objective, a large number of frigates warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our fleet.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
My corporation fleet spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site. Our fleet fully cleared all enemies and progressed to the final stage of the site through legitimate PvE gameplay.
Shortly before completing the final objective, a large number of frigates warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our fleet.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
My corporation fleet spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site. Our fleet fully cleared all enemies and progressed to the final stage of the site through legitimate PvE gameplay.
Shortly before completing the final objective, a large number of frigates warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our fleet.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
Dear CCP Support,
I am writing to report an issue regarding LP leeching behavior during an Angel 30, and to request a review of the current LP distribution mechanics.
I spent significant time and effort completing all waves, mechanics, and combat content of an Angel 30-man site with my 10 friends in atrons. We didn’t have to kill any NPCs because 10 atrons can tank an ice heist no problem.
Shortly before completing the final objective, 40 frat ravens and 30 ospreys warped onto the grid. These pilots did not engage any enemies, deal damage, assist with mechanics, or contribute to the completion of the site in any way. They simply remained on grid to leech a large portion of the loyalty points earned by our 10 atrons. Additionally, they bring an out-of-militia alt in a marauder/gila, which they remote repair with 30 in-militia ospreys, to kill our atrons before the site is complete to make sure we receive no payout.
This is not an isolated incident. Multiple pilots in my group have repeatedly encountered similar LP leeching behavior in various faction plexes across Angel space. Non-contributing pilots and external fleets frequently arrive at the last moment to claim rewards without participating in the actual PvE content.
This behavior severely harms the experience of small-group PvE pilots and undermines the fairness of faction warfare and plex content. The current LP distribution system allows non-participating pilots to freeload rewards from players who complete all the combat and mechanics.
I kindly request that you review this specific incident, consider improving the LP distribution rules for faction sites and plexes, and adjust the system to ensure rewards are only granted to pilots who actively participate in combat and site completion. This would help reduce leeching and create a fairer environment for all players.
If needed, I can provide approximate system, time, and additional details of the incident.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Best regards
Not a frat.
At 17:10 on May 6th, in Gebuladi, Angel Adv30, a player with the character ID “Bhalgaroth” once again publicly provoked all pirate players on the local channel, using the following words:
“I stole your things”
“You are all my dogs”
“You are my workers”
“I take your money and you can’t stop me. You tried to get rid of me, but failed. Next time when I steal your money again, I want to hear you cry.”
He used malicious prophecies to attack every player who tried to play the game normally without being punished.
He used underhanded tactics and a cheap frigate to steal two fleets belonging to different alliances and different armies. The combined efforts of ninety people were stolen in this way, without any cost and without facing any punishment.
He employed anti-Awoxing measures, using “Interdictors” and “Command Destroyers”, and by using “Warp Disrupt Probe” and “Micro Jump Field Generator”, he interfered with the battle between the angel fleet and the enemy. However, he would not be marked as a suspect.
Standings & Awoxing Update 2026-03-10 By EVE Online Teamhttps://www.eveonline.com/news/view/standings-and-awoxing-update
“some pilots “stealing” the LP payouts in Factional Warfare sites by simply hanging around while others do the work (commonly referred to as seagulling)”
now u see representative personage.
I don’t want the members of the fleet to become thieves, but they are considering theft as the most cost-effective production method, and I can’t stop this trend.
CCP said they monitoring it closely with potential solutions in mind,and now we need you to do something.
What are ‘malicious prophecies’?
And what stopped 90 players from killing him?
confused
He used a translation software to translate these words into Chinese in order to evade regulatory penalties. This is his own statement translated into Chinese.
“I stole your things”
“You are all my dogs”
“You are my workers”
“I take your money and you can’t stop me. You tried to get rid of me, but failed. Next time when I steal your money again, I want to hear you cry.”
He and we are both in the angel faction. According to the CCP’s regulations, attacking him will result in severe game penalties…
Hey Guys:
I would like to report a possible long-term bug in the Angel Cartel ADV-30 Factional Warfare battlefield.
In ADV-30 sites, both sides are supposed to tow their own faction’s HSC-99 fuel ships back to complete the objective. However, Angel Cartel militia pilots may be unable to tow Angel-owned HSC-99 fuel ships. The game shows an error message similar to:
“Angel Militia Error / Towing denied by militia.”
This issue has happened repeatedly for a long time. When it occurs, Angel players may lose the battlefield not because of combat or strategy, but because the site objective cannot be completed properly.
This has a serious impact on Factional Warfare gameplay, especially for corporations that regularly organize Angel FW fleets and teach new players. It also creates frustration because players lose time, ships, and LP opportunities due to a broken objective mechanic.
Expected behavior
Angel Cartel militia pilots should be able to tow Angel-owned HSC-99 fuel ships in the ADV-30 battlefield.
Actual behavior
Angel Cartel militia pilots are sometimes denied permission to tow their own faction’s HSC-99 fuel ships.
A small Request>
It would be helpful to have:
Confirmation that the issue is being checked.
A temporary workaround if available.
A future fix or patch note if the bug is still around(or even may be a possible balance?).
Truely thank you for looking into this. This issue has affected myself and gruops of Angel FW players for a long time, and I hope it can be fixed so ADV-30 battlefields are decided by player actions rather than towing errors.
Forcing people to join NPC militias in order to be able to complete FW and Inurgency sites is the problem.
Without enlistment requirements any person or fleet could attempt to complete any of the sites. No awoxing or seagulling either because everyone would be neutral to each other by default.
Of course theres a little nuance because if you dont have high angel standing then angel npc would attack you on sight. And same thing with too low caldari standing: caldari npc would attack you in the sites. But if you can tank both caldari and gallente npcs and only shot the gallente npcs then eventually the site would complete for caldari. Peace
Decouple direct enlistment from factional warfare.
A person who was red the day before is now blue and i am supposed to stand shoulder to shoulder with him.
No.
His allegiance is questionable, he has no dedication, he is in it only for the profits.
Let them fight in insurgencies. Anything more than that should require greater dedication. Only through dedication can one gain fame, respect and glory on the battlefield
Why not just say get rid of direct enlistment? Direct Enlistment is ONLY for FW.
As far as purple/blue/red stuff, did you know you can order stuff around and make the red show up over militia? You can even have a militia star icon with red background so depending on where you are to can either shoot them or not depending on your need.
I was roaming around yesterday and i passed through Huola. There was a 50 man fleet farming the insurgency. Navy ospreys and drakes with logi support, tackle, ewar, all the good stuff. Same thing in Roushar and same thing in Labapi. Dscan shows all chinese ship names
Meanwhile amarr militia has about 350 dudes in militia chat, minmatar militia has about 50 more dudes, thats on a Sunday eu prime time, and half of them cant fit a t2 dessie.
There are very few groups in fw who can pull the numbers to challenge the insurgency farmers.
My point is, current fw mechanics emphasize large fleet deployments, in my opinion counter productive when considering the numbers and profile of participants.
You get war decced if you join FW so even undocking at Jita becomes risky. I think thats why the FW meta is destroyers and alts.
The risk vs reward for ninja looting BFs in the new expansion is way off it seems. For example you can fit a cheap atron and get away with looting 100m+ it seems. The worst/best part is that if anyone kills you when you try this there is a 50% chance the loot gets destroyed. And if it doesent you just scoop it up with your alt or the next seagul in line will try and grab it. There will probably be more ninja looters than people legitimately trying to run the BF but lets see.
Faction Warfare ADV-30 Battlefield Bug Allows Empire Militias to Gain Extra LP
Like the title said, there appears to be a bug in Faction Warfare that causes an abnormal amount of LP to be generated.
In the Angel Cartel ADV-30 battlefield, Angel Cartel militia players are unable to properly link and tow the fuel truck HSC-99. As a result, a battlefield that should normally involve competition between both sides has become a site where only the Amarr Militia or Minmatar Militia can tow the fuel truck and complete the objective.
This creates a serious issue. The Amarr and Minmatar militias already have their own Empire Faction Warfare battlefields. However, because the Angel Cartel militia cannot properly tow the fuel truck in the ADV-30 battlefield, Empire militia players are able to finish their own battlefield activities first, then enter the Angel Cartel ADV-30 battlefield and gain additional Amarr or Minmatar militia LP through this bug.
This effectively allows some Empire militia players to gain extra LP through an unintended mechanic, creating a clear Loyalty Point imbalance.
Based on observation, the Angel Cartel ADV-30 battlefield appears to spawn around 4–5 times per day, and this issue occurs in at least 3–4 of those spawns. Over a long period of time, this means that the Amarr and Minmatar militias may have been gaining a large amount of extra LP through an unintended and unfair method.
Undoubtly this bug has already had a serious impact on the normal LP generation in Faction Warfare, and it may also negatively affect the economy of EVE Online. I hope CCP can investigate and fix this issue as soon as possible.
In particular, please check:
a.Whether Angel Cartel militia players should be able to properly link and tow the HSC-99 fuel truck in the ADV-30 battlefield;
b.Whether Amarr and Minmatar militia players should be able to gain additional LP from the Angel Cartel ADV-30 battlefield;
c.Whether this bug has caused long-term abnormal LP generation.
Thank you.
