Fixing some toxic exploits

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Which I don’t. You misunderstood me : there is a difference between using the word, talking about the act, and making metaphors about this act. I am only doing the first one, not the two others.

I can’t accept when you say your interpretation of my thought is correct. I made enough text previous post, I won’t repeat the same error to you trolling.

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Well when you use a word in context, the meaning of that word extends beyond the ‘intentional’ meaning of the speaker,
as it is also a pragmatic act which both depends upon that context for meaning and further changes the context of the other words and marks that surround it, and in turn depends upon those changing contexts for its own meaning.

In the post above, the first one were I use the word ‘verbatim’, not the second one in which I basically copy pasted the first, in that post my reasoning is laid out and clear to see.

Its not a case of misunderstanding you, or you misunderstanding me, but rather the effect your words had, that we disagree about- at this point as adults-

if you are really not a troll and your post history would lead me to believe you are not-
the correct course of action is to agree to disagree.

If you are really not a troll I would suggest you also heed @yellow_parasol’s advice, as it is good advice, and I think we can all agree he has been where both of us are now, stuck in a rut arguing over semantics, and may know something about this situation we have yet to learn (the birth of a troll and the death of discourse, and its impact on the forums).

I won’t change my opinion, and I have given reasons for my opinion and why it isn’t changing, you wont change yours, though you haven’t been reading my posts (you say) so I cant in good faith attempt to come round to
’your way of thinking’, because you haven’t given me a chance.
But I don’t want need or expect you to change your mind- it was the discussion I valued, while it was a discussion.

Disagreement is actually the fuel of progress, and justice, so why can we not just accept we both might be suffering from some cognitive dissonance- we both might both be right and wrong simultaneously, and may not even be speaking the same (meta) language?

So as a socially adept adult, I say clash of personalities, difference of values, agree to disagree?

Maybe next time we are in a thread together we will agree about something, who knows?

Perhaps one day we will even be friends. Honestly, I have read through your posts and can see your intentions are good- I don’t think you are a troll.

I took issue with something you said, that’s all- can we not just agree to disagree- and let this die the death it so gravely deserves?

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I already told you that if you’re hurt by the words, I can’t do anything about that and it’s not my concern.
It does not allow you to distort my posts and make me says what I did not say. Let’s be clear about terms

  • I don’t think children are ridiculous - however I think sometimes it’s hard to understand or be understood by them. And it’s even more difficult when they do something you don’t understand.
  • When I say about a behaviour looks “stupid” to me, I mean that it does not make any sense wrt the context, with much more strength though than just “not makes sense”.

stupid : having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.

(In that case I skipped “common” because “common sense” does not exist in a pluri cultural community like this forum. But you can still replace all my “stupid” words by “has a great lack of sense to me”)

  • If you want, you can replace “people who can only enjoy a woman when raping her” by “people who can’t enjoy an activity with people if they do not use force to hurt people in said activity”. However this wording is even more complex to understand and does not use the word “only” which I chose to reflect the one used in “people who come here only to insult” a few sentences before.
  • I am trolling. But only when I made stupid posts like “I know you love me but no need to confess”.
  • On other posts I want to provide the maximum information with the minimum amount of text to write. Every post I read of yours, I stop once I do not agree and post an answer only to this disagreement. There is no point in arguing over something which you deduct from something false. From false you can deduce anything (just checked and it is actually called the principle of explosion ) . People here like to call that trolling ( just because they can’t do it?), I call that an economy of efforts.
  • I told before what my point was : ccp should clarify that creating new alpha accounts in order to bypass the negative standing a corp gives you should be forbidden in the EULA.
  • I made two statement with not point : to explain what I witnessed (bms were moved) or to describe my feelings when some people come on this forum only to insult - thou I agreed with you that calling them stupid or retard would not help OP.
  • after that I only correct you about the interpretation you can have of what I said. You insist on a word, because the word hurts you, and that I can’t do anything about, but you can not extract that word ouf of its context and make me say things I did not.
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So we agree to disagree then?
See, it wasn’t hard was it.

Normal forum service resumes.

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See, it wasn’t hard was it.

What’s the goal of this sentence ? I said I can not accept you to distort my sentences, nothing about agreeing to disagree (which means nothing to me).

I don’t mind you to disagree. Just don’t consider your interpretation of things as a fact.

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The goal of that sentence was to demonstrate its not hard to be an adult and agree to disagree.

So you don’t agree that we disagree?
But we do disagree.
That’s what I think.
It seems, from your post, that you also disagree with me.
So you think you disagree with me and I disagree with you- that’s not a distortion.

By ‘agreeing to disagree’ you do not have to accept ANYTHING I HAVE SAID

It’s just a way for adults to say, this is going no where, we are not going to come to an agreement on this, and arguing about it is achieving nothing.

It’s a way for adults to stop their argument over something specific, dominating a thread that was never about their specific disagreement.

If you agree to disagree you don’t have to agree that my verbatim account of what you said is valid, or that my interpretation of it was valid, or anything.

You just have to stop trying to get me to agree with you, and I have to stop trying to get you to agree with me.

I stopped a while ago- I accept that your interpretation of what you said, your intention, does not match my interpretation of what you said, and its meaning.

I literally agree, to disagree.

The only alternative for you is to disagree to agree and JUST CARRY ON OVER THE SAME THING (which I gave up on when you said you weren’t even reading my posts),

(I discount agreeing to agree as an option, because we don’t agree- and that’s ok- without disagreement there would be no discussion at all).

The line about ‘just don’t consider your interpretation of things as fact’- if you care this much to keep replying why not just read my posts and find out what I am actually on about? Because maybe, just maybe, you don’t really get it, and I should have realised that hours ago.

just as @yellow_parasol said.

Goodbye.

PS. I just SO wanted you to not be a troll or ‘nutjob’ but I guess I am v. bad at reading people, never mind, this is a game after all.

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Thank you very much.That’s all I wanted you to agree on.

The “it was not too hard” was irony and as such not an adult way of discussing. To me you claimed to be an adult but had opposite behaviour.

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Shame I had said as much posts and posts ago!!!

‘it was not too hard’ was not irony, I was being literal, after all, it was not hard

it was really easy!!! All we had to do was pay attention to the substance of each others posts not cherry pick the bits we wanted to prove a point, and agree to disagree at the end of it all.

See- now we are even agreeing to agree!

As an addendum, adult discourse often contains irony and other tropes, there is nothing wrong with rhetoric, it is when it gets personal and name calling, and labelling as such, that things become childish (and so as to avoid another misunderstanding, this is not a back handed jibe at you, or an accusation to reopen old wounds now closed).

I actually think this was the kind of disagreement that can only happen in a forum setting on the internet, face to face we would have worked out a way to ‘agree to disagree’ a long time ago-

as we are both reasonable people. And I am glad I carried on talking to you, you are not a troll and neither am I, we just got a bit too invested in something.

It was never about what you meant, just how it was perceived, and you are not responsible for my perceptions are you?

Thanks for taking the time to post.

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