Fleet Mining Ledger?

[Anderson_Geten]

@Xuixien

I’ve read this topic and Anderson_Geten strikes me as one of those irrational and toxic people. It’s always easier to attack someone’s idea than it is to come up with an original idea

talk about irony.

@Xuixien

starting from when they join they fleet and ending when they leave.

And how do you do that without a fleet history ?

@Xuixien

It would be imperfect

More important, it would still not suit the need of people who have a specific one. So for most people who indeed would have a need for a kind of fleet ledger, it would still be worthless.

[Xuixien]

Gaslighting is creepy.

[Anderson_Geten]

That’s stored in your client, not on the server.

[Xuixien]

Engineers and scientists have yet to discover a way for servers to read data from clients.

[Anderson_Geten]

OK you have no idea what you are talking about but “it’s very easy, we can ask the clients their data, there is no way it could wrong”.

Whatever.

[Xuixien]

There is no fleet his-

B-b-b-but that’s client side!!! You ca-

OKAY WHATEVER. UR DUMB.

[Anderson_Geten]

Indeed, you are.
Since you don’t understand : the server does not have access to a fleet history, therefore your idea is impossible.

You are dumb because you also claim that the server should request the data from the clients ; which is not only a terrible idea(never trust user input), but also not practical because clients can clear their history, eg when they log off. Or when the fleet boss changes, and thus the fleet ledger becomes totally useless.

[Xuixien]

If the information isn’t on the server, how does it get to the client…? I mean if the FC broadcasts an align, or someone loots something, that information is sent to the… server? And then it’s sent and stored in the… client…? Sounds like the server just has to take the information it already has and store that information.

But that’s impossible :becausereasons: and :userinput: or something.

[Vas_Vadum]

@Xuixien

I’ve read this topic and Anderson_Geten strikes me as one of those irrational and toxic people.

This is true, use the new topic that I linked before. I’ll link again.

Mining Ledgers, Personal, Fleet, Corp, Moon

I made a post about this before, but it got out of hand. So I am recreating this, to explain it a little more clearly and to cover a few more points because my topic was poisoned by crap. I also remade it to move it to the ideas section. Boy do you guys need a better tag system with more tags. I left this tagless cause I can’t find any good tags. I type a lot and in great detail, and am not good with formatting using this forum’s software. Hopefully it is easy enough to read though. Thank you …

I rewrote the idea in the idea section with a more professional tone and such.

@Xuixien

All it would have to do is pull personal Mining Ledger data from each fleet member, starting from when they join they fleet and ending when they leave.

The personal ledger updates once per 10 minutes. The moon ledger updates once per hour. I’m sure the game cashes this data somewhere so instead it should probably use cache rather than pull from personal ledger. They can simply re-use the cached data though.

@Anderson_Geten

you also claim that the server should request the data from the clients ; which is not only a terrible idea(never trust user input), but also not practical because clients can clear their history, eg when they log off. Or when the fleet boss changes

Finally, something you said I agree with. Never trust the client to send accurate data. It can be manipulated just like you can manipulate loot history with jetcans. Plus loot history is lost when disconnect, cleared, boss changes, etc.

Even though you said it as abrasively as possible as if you’re trying to get CCP to ban you from the forums. But then, you’d just create another alt account and start your toxicity again.

[Vas_Vadum]

Did… Did Anderson Geten just remove all her posts and ragequit the topic after being abrasive for days? I mean, her first post was fine, no reason to delete that one, if CCP is responsible for that… I’m sure a few others were fine too but they are all gone so I can’t remember them.

[Xuixien]

You could have the Personal Mining Ledger just update more often when the user is in a fleet.

10 minutes is 600 seconds. My high skilled mining toon with max Orca boosts (no implants) is cycling his drills every 80 seconds or so. That’s 7.5 mining cycles that could be potentially missed if the person DC’s at 9:59.

If you have the Personal Mining Ledger update twice as fast, you miss only 3.75 mining cycles, which isn’t much. Have the ledger update every 2.5 minutes and you only lose 1.9 cycles of data on a very unfortunately timed DC.

[Vas_Vadum]

@Xuixien

You could have the Personal Mining Ledger just update more often when the user is in a fleet.

Thats not how the server API works. You can’t force it to update more often.

[Anderson_Geten]

@Vas_Vadum

Thats not how the server API works. You can’t force it to update more often.

yes, by requesting the client data ! He know better than you !

[Vas_Vadum]

@Anderson_Geten

yes, by requesting the client data ! He know better than you !

I do have basic understanding of coding. But I also don’t call people stupid, dumb, or treat people like garbage just because I disagree with them or they get something wrong. Which is something you really need to learn to control.

EDIT: Quoted you just in case the post mysteriously vanishes, again.

[Xuixien]

@Vas_Vadum

Thats not how the server API works. You can’t force it to update more often.

So there’s no way to change how often the API updates? It’s 10 minutes, set in stone?

[Vas_Vadum]

@Xuixien

So there’s no way to change how often the API updates? It’s 10 minutes, set in stone?

Correct. The servers determine how often the API updates information. If you tried to do it too often, the game servers would lag, because they would be constantly processing too much. The data gets cashed so that it can be pushed and processed at intervals that don’t hammer the server CPU and hard disks too often to keep the overhead low.

[Xuixien]

@Vas_Vadum

Correct. The servers determine how often the API updates information. If you tried to do it too often, the game servers would lag, because they would be constantly processing too much. The data gets cashed so that it can be pushed and processed at intervals that don’t hammer the server CPU and hard disks too often to keep the overhead low.

Hm, I see. So creating an additional API, a Personal Mining Ledger that is active only while in fleet, with a faster update time, wouldn’t work because it would still increase load on the server?

[Anderson_Geten]

You can just ask the client to send the data to the server !

[Vas_Vadum]

@Xuixien

wouldn’t work because it would still increase load on the server?

Every time you push data to be processed by the server’s hardware, the hardware has to work to save it. The CPU processes it, the hard disk gets a querry and puts the data somewhere.

A fleet mining ledger could use the same cache that tracks personal mining ledgers and update every 10 minutes as well, but be more accurate because it tables it with new information such as adding a fleet ID to the JSON data.

EDIT: there’s a little more to it by the way than that, but I was trying to keep it simple for you.

[Xuixien]

@Vas_Vadum

A fleet mining ledger could use the same cache that tracks personal mining ledgers and update every 10 minutes as well, but be more accurate because it tables it with new information such as adding a fleet ID to the JSON data.

So, basically, all the information and structural components are already there, they just need to be arranged properly?