I made a post about this before, but it got out of hand. So I am recreating this, to explain it a little more clearly and to cover a few more points because my topic was poisoned by crap.
I also remade it to move it to the ideas section. Boy do you guys need a better tag system with more tags. I left this tagless cause I can’t find any good tags.
I type a lot and in great detail, and am not good with formatting using this forum’s software. Hopefully it is easy enough to read though. Thank you for taking the time!
For the longest time, we have had to rely on fleet history, to track mining history of our fleets. This fleet history, is vulnerable to exploits such as jettison ore and pick it back up to pretend you mined more. This can be a problem in particularly big fleets, when you start to issue payments out and someone somewhere cheated their fleet history.
It can also be a problem should someone lose connection, the fleet booster in particular. Of course you’ll have some inconsiderate people come and reply to this paragraph and say “LOL well get a better connection” because you know, people can’t help themselves and don’t realize that, connection problems happen on occasion.
Now, we have this Mining Ledger and a Corporate Moon Ledger.
The mining ledger tracks what you do on your one character.
The corp moon ledger tracks all players who mine on your moons at any time.
I’d like to see a small change here. Rename the Corp Moon Ledger, to Moon Ledger.
Add a Corp Ledger, to track your corporation’s mining.
Add a Fleet Ledger.
Now this one, would be more complex to add but it should theoretically be easy enough that it shouldn’t take -too- much work.
Fleets have an ID once formed. The creator of the fleet has a character ID. The fleet ledger can activate once you form a fleet, locking your charcter ID to the ledger as the creator of the fleet. The Fleet ID now becomes the ID for the ledger to track any ores/ice mined. The ledger now shows a dropdown list of the most recent ops you’ve been a part of. Anyone who joined that fleet and mined, adds to that ledger.
When someone transfers ownership of the fleet (aka make boss), that person is granted the admin permissions of the ledger as well. The ledger shows extra controls for fleet bosses, such as the ability to fade all work done by a player, to pay the players with the pay button which defaults to the same ISK as shown in the inventory window for those things and lets the player edit it.
The payment thing will show a worker in the ledger for that fleet as “paid”. Indicating to everyone that that person was paid for their services. Optionally, can show the amount paid as well.
Fleet Ledgers should probably be renamable too, so you can change it from “fleetid fleetboss system date timestamp” to “system op 12” for example. Another nice thing with these ledgers, would be to show ores mined under specific bosses, being able to mark each boss resource amount in a color. Right now you color ores their own colors, a toggle could be added that schanges these bars into a graph that shows how much was mined under what fleet boss. But thats just wishful thinking if a dev wanted to go that far and advanced with the tool.
Luckily, the corp moon ledger already has a dropdown tool that lets you select your refineries to see their stats. You could simply readjust this for fleet mining histories.
Remember, the ledger should not count anything obtained via jetcan. Only from asteroids and nothing more, to prevent exploits. I think thats what it already does, but I felt it worth mentioning just to be sure.
Some may ask, why ask CCP to make a tool when you can do so via the API?
Well sure. I -could- use https://esi.evetech.net/ui/#/Fleets
But… I’m not a web developer. I have basic understanding of coding, can understand a portion of this API, but I don’t have the skill to make the site.
On top of that, 3rd party tools are dangerous. You are trusting them with your data. Who’s to say, for example, a nullsec alliance makes a mining ledger tool and people start flocking to it giving their IDs to the site, it pretends to be only for them out of the goodness of their hearts. But it also adds to their own database and lets them know where mining fleets are at any given time so that that nullsec alliance can go suicide gank miners at the best times? CCP can’t stop this from happening, unless that make a built in tool. You have to trust the people you give your account data to, and you can never truly know because it can be undetectible. It would be labeled coincidence that the groups that all use the fleet mining ledger are being suicide ganked no matter where they go.
I mention the above because its one of the draw backs of using 3rd party tools that I don’t think most people think about or consider.
Another issue is, when you host a fleet free to join to all, why would those people who join want to go sign up on some website to get paid and trust you with the site you link to them to get paid a couple mill ISK or so after the op? If I joined a fleet and some guy there sent me a URL to some random website asking for my wallet info and other data. I’d be all “NOPE” and leave.