Uh, in fairness to the war clones, Arrendis, I’ve watched Thal Vadam in action outside of training. It was … memorable.
War clones aren’t regular troops, or even marines. I do think they’d be a problem in a boarding action, though not necessarily an insurmountable one.
Definitely a problem, though.
(I do not think this crop is headed our way probably. There are way more efficient ends to deploy war clones towards than trying to very temporarily kill their pilot counterparts.)
Those marines+dudes+remote guns+wrenches stand no chance against warclones. They will not risk their lives to defend your stuff. They are not your slaves. They will run for the escape pods in the first place. And have you not red the news I’ve linked in earlier post regarding SARO excelling in letting rouge warclones escape? Or those guristas equipped with warclone tech now? Better keep out of Syndicate now.
And why do you assume there will be 50 of them and not 500? 500 warclone blanks will cost just ~500mil (or nothing if stolen), compare it with the cost of your capital with crew onboard.
I am afraid you would not see the pod incoming and bolting itself into your hull notice the high maneuverability of that pod and its ability to go through your shields.
About who kills who first, see above. Yes they can get back into your ship instantly. Under condition one of them will place Drop Uplink first. Your crew will not get fresh new bodies. They will. Unless your crewmembers are warclones themselves and you have your own warclone blanks in situ.
Warclone mercs who entered your ship through service hatch in the hull could. Because there was no other warclones onboard your ship to stop it from happening. I would not relay on all those safety measures now while capsule technology is no longer a tightly guarded secret.
You can always initiate self-destruct but maybe that 2 minutes of wait time will be too much time for them to reach your pod causeway through that one particular armor plate (with their pod before you even know it) and kick you out to safely go boom.
A) They absolutely will, because they are paid quite well to do exactly that, and trained to do so as well. If you think your Marines won’t, then you should get better Marines.
B) Nope. They’re not my slaves. They’re my highly-paid military professionals. The people who train and hire on to become Marines aboard ship? That’s what they want to do. And if they were, as you suggest, to simply ‘run for the escape pods’, they’d never work on any kind of ship, ever again.
I have read quite a bit about rogue warclones, but I do appreciate the chromatic consistency in your misspellings.
Yeah, I notice the marketing video of one warclone in a breaching capsule… shockingly, that’s not how that works. Here’s a few ways you know that’s just marketing nonsense:
So, yeah, don’t believe everything you see on GalNet. So much of it is utter lies.
No, they don’t get back instantly. They have to redeploy. They do not teleport. Either the clone bodies are already there where your guys can shoot them, or they have to get there. I don’t know what you’re smoking to think that warclones somehow have personal jump drive beacons, but please, don’t share it, it’s obviously very damaging to your brain.
No, they cannot. You clearly have no idea how your own ships work. They would have to physically overpower the clamping systems that are designed to hold onto your pod even in the event of a computer system failure. There are physical locks that have to be released by the pod.
They’d be a threat to be countered, sure, but warclone tech’s been out there for what now? 15 years almost? And we’ve heard about his nightmare scenario happening outside of marketing holos exactly 0 times?
There’s a reason for that.
I appreciate your dont worry be happy attitude, no really. But its too little to convince me.
I know first-hand what am talking about in regard of warclone technology and its capabilities. You may not believe it but I used warclone body and tech ten years ago - under different name. It took me a good while to adjust to a capsuleer body. And it’s apparently not quite there yet. So yes I am somehow handicapped if you must so bluntly point that out every time we engage in communication. But I don’t complaint every day is getting better, slowly. So eventually I will catch up with you.
See above. You’ve got me again. How hilarious 
Oh yes they do, and you have to wear warclone body to withstand side effects:
“The drop uplink is a slave transponder, a short-range tether that produces the precise spatial coordinates necessary to generate a localized wormhole, traversal of which allows the user to travel short distances instantly. Highly experimental, the process is excruciatingly painful and exposes organic tissue to excessive radiation, resulting in accelerated cellular decay and, ultimately, death.”
If you care to get more info about some technology used just 10 years ago by warclones, here is more info. The data-core seems a little corrupted and there are some strange artifacts here and there (like in that commercial cough, cough - actually it was a training footage) but otherwise you could tell one thing from another.
The reason why this tech is not widespread is explained in the first article I had linked in my opening post. People go crazy if not properly prepared to use this tech. The drop out ratio during training was staggering. And 10 years is a lot time for improving any technology when nobody watches your hands.
One should always prefer the probable impossible to the improbable possible. If you think otherwise don’t waste your time trying to convince me.
I am stubborn.
Just to say, Syndicate is perfectly safe and an excellent place to do business. If you invest in planetary industry, I would be happy to talk you through some local options. We even allow Warclone security detachments.
Thanks for an invitation. I will give it a thought. I am 8 jumps away from PF-346.
My guess is it’s the same reason Sansha’s Nation hasn’t taken to mass-launch of breaching pods full of True Slaves with manpack antimatter charges as anti-egger protocol. (It’d be way less costly than throwing waves of ships at us, tbh.)
Getting inside to begin with.
If internal security were the main issue the answer (for the sufficiently ruthless) becomes “just get a bomb in there.” So it’s pretty likely they can’t, at least right now. When they figure out a countermeasure to our countermeasures (like, a way to get inside without fatally damaging the structure), that’s most likely when boarding will become a thing.
I mean, it’s a tactic as old as naval warfare, so it’s probably not like everybody just forgot. . . .
I’ll just point out that the Guristas have been infesting Placid for a good while now. Their FoBs have been littering the area like roach dens for a few years, and they’re getting more brazen. And Freddie forces have really struggled to root them out. Not even capsuleers aligned with the Fed are doing much about them. We’ve had our own issues with the bastards around the Serpent’s Coil, among other places.
As if on que: Federation Navy Testing Facility in Chardalane Damaged in Raid by Large Force of Guristas Pirates
I wonder if the Fed police are ever going to pull their heads out of their asses and go after actual pirates, instead of harassing innocent travelers and honest corporations.
Another batch of todays news covering non existent threat of possibility of rogue warclones operating on planets surface:
- Federation Navy Imposes Blockade on Planets in Eugales System Using Low Orbit Defense Satellites
- SARO and DERAIL Units Evacuate from Eugales Under Federal Marines Escort as Black Eagles Anti-Warclone Units Deploy
- Drone Footage from Surface of Eugales IV Indicates “Massive Damage to Subsurface Arcology” in Antimatter Blast Zone
- President Celes Aguard Pledges to Stabilize Eugales Planetary and Orbital Situation as Senate Ratifies Martial Law
- State Peacekeepers Broadcast Message to Eugales Colonies Condemning “Gallente Recklessness” as Kirkinen Risk Control Withdraws
Yes indeed, move along, nothing to see here…
I wonder if that caldari warclone tech stolen by Guristats in Syndicate, ended up in Eugales, 3 jumps away from PF-346 in Syndicate?
To spice things up I was recently contacted by some shady group asking me if I enjoyed my time as a warclone. Well, hell I did.
This may perhaps shock you, Mr. en Divalone, that there are multiple factions and subtypes of warclones operating in a multitude of places, capacities, and ranges.
In particular however you may also note that, CONCORD DERAIL and SARO engaged in aggressive action unprovoked and as such, the defending entities and groups within Eugales made every effort to halt and engage them in turn.
Further proof that the cats out the bag and more entities need to start investing in Anti-Warclone Capabilities.
The most basic move for us capsuleers, is to use our finacial power and start stockpiling/buying-off off market all listed warclone blanks.
Without an easy acces to new bodies all operating warclones will have to think twice before doing something unreversible.
Warclones bodies last for 5 years only when they go disconnected from mobile command centers. So if 10 years has passed from the end of their New Eden widespread they had to procure new bodies at least once. And now the second time has come.
There was a massive volume move of warclone blanks on the market at the end of October. The number was +360k pieces. I wonder where did it go?
I managed to buy-off +20k pieces within last three months.
You… realize that the public markets are not the only source of blanks, and that they can be produced reasonably in private centers, correct?
Yes, that’s what my formal complaint was about in the begining - since WE can’t officially (legally) produce our own warclone blanks (just in case and to be prepared for the inevitable) I wanted to stuff my planet factories with them. And I was showed the finger by those stupid clerks.
So I started factory schematic research to produce my own warclone blanks. Will keep you posted on it
My reasoning behind market buy-off of warclone blanks is rising the price. Those private centers will have to adjust their own prices accordingly. Look up prices history between April and May. That was me. And it was just a warm up.
With all this fear of warclones and new rulings on AI, I wonder if we will see the emergence of androids.
Thanks to that new software released recently to all capsuleers along the A.I.D. Act, I can now conduct my market operations regarding above paragraph more efficiently.
So… the fan is revving up even more and I wonder what will fall into it and how bad and omnipresent the smell will be 
Apparently nobody is prepared for what is coming and my R&D project for warclone blanks schematics has hit a major roadblock…
Not to put too fine a point on it but… so?
I mean, the essence of this comes in two parts:
Ok, and? Everyone’s technological development accelerates. That’s the nature of technological development—it’s accretionary. That’s how it works.
… and? CONCORD’s had capsuleers hitting pirate / smuggler gates for decades now… even in high-sec! And of course the cartels are working together. This isn’t new, either. Oh no, there’s a shadow-organization involved! Fifteen years ago, the Guristas were ‘a shadowy organization’. Frankly, I’m surprised Venal isn’t absolutely covered in Guristas-owned Ansiblex gates to let the Guristas make more money off of capsuleers.
Look, Matshi Raisch is generally a good egg, and he’s been willing to put his ass where his mouth was in the past, but if he wants to sound some kind of alarm here, he needs to be clear why this should be alarming. What makes Jovian gates so much more of a problem than the pirate gates that’ve been around forever? What about pirate tech acceleration is actually a danger to more than just CONCORD’s monopoly on power?
Between shipcasters and conduit drives small enough to fit into subcapital hulls, maybe it’s time to move away from the nonsense of one central power controlling the means of interstellar transportation. Sure, stargates for those who need them, but what’s wrong with highsec being full of industrial beacons? Are the empire afraid they’ll have to be wary of enemy Warqual invasion forces conduit-jumping in Deathventure fleets?
Honestly, before anyone gets worked up over anything beyond the chance at 50b ISK, Raisch needs to give us a lot more info on why this is a Bad Thing™.
My guess, Arrendis, is that the problem is where the gates come from, and where they go. They’re Jove gates. They apparently access Jove space. If the cartels are excavating the ruins of Jove civilization (or, worse, seizing intact remnants), their threat level is about to spike alarmingly.
I don’t expect them to just use all that stuff for home defense. Best-case you start seeing more toys like the Machariel (as well as further upgrades to the Machariel itself) based on recovered Jovian tech.
Absolute worst case … well … imagine the carnage if like random asteroid belt patrols start showing up with blue overshields (and all that that implies).
