Freighters and you


(Shriven Intaki) #1

Are you dreaming about becoming a Freighter pilot? Then this post may be for you, in it we take a look at each of the standard Freighters (Charon, Fenrir, Obelisk and Providence) and see how they are effected by the different modules they can be fitted with.

What modules are those? There are only a few basic groups of modules that you would fit on a Freighter and they are most often fit in sets of (3):

  • Inertial Stabilizers (help with align time)
  • Cargohold Expanders (add cargo space)
  • Reinforced Bulkheads (add tank)
  • Nanofiber Structures (help with align time and speed but you do lose tank) ***

*** We’re taking a look at the numbers for the Nanofibers because while doing some research I saw some Freighter losses on with them fitted. I personally wouldn’t advocate the use of Nanos on a Freighter, I’d recommend the use of the Inertials. Other than a “That’s all I have” I can’t see any scenario where the loss of tank and additional speed you get from the Nanos makes sense over the use of a full set of Inertial Stabilizers – maybe someone can enlighten me though? ***

Here are all the numbers (based on all V’s)

Expanded Cargohold II Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 1,204,741 179,995 58 m/s 42.1
Fenrir 1,127,015 178,863 78 m/s 36
Obelisk 1,139,970 191,903 63 m/s 41.2
Providence 1,127,015 187,601 68 m/s 39.5
ORE Expanded Cargohold Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 1,247,763 188,015 73 m/s 41.1
Fenrir 1,167,262 185,589 97 m/s 36
Obelisk 1,180,679 203,287 79 m/s 41.2
Providence 1,167,262 197,949 85 m/s 39.5
Reinforced Bulkheads II Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 409,763 396,386 94 m/s 47.5
Fenrir 383,327 360,352 125 m/s 40.5
Obelisk 387,733 499,040 102 m/s 46.5
Providence 383,327 466,816 109 m/s 44.5
ORE Reinforced Bulkheads Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 482,777 410159 94 m/s 46.3
Fenrir 451,630 371904 125 m/s 39.6
Obelisk 456,821 518589 102 m/s 45.4
Providence 451,630 484588 109 m/s 43.5
Inertial Stabilizers II Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 581,250 258,574 94 m/s 24.7
Fenrir 543,750 244,768 125 m/s 21.1
Obelisk 550,000 303,436 102 m/s 24.1
Providence 543,750 288,994 109 m/s 23.1
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Cargo Capacity m³ EHP Speed Align Time
Charon 581,250 188,015 117 m/s 27.9
Fenrir 543,750 185,589 156 m/s 23.8
Obelisk 550,000 203,287 127 m/s 27.3
Providence 543,750 197,949 137 m/s 26.1

The use of the ‘ORE’ Faction modules comes down to your bankroll, if you’re one of those ‘Space Rich’ folks and can afford them then they could be worth it for you.

For all of the Freighters the ORE Expanded Cargoholds give you approximately 40k m³ of additional Cargo Capacity, you don’t lose as much tank or speed and your align time is a bit faster vs the T2 Expanders.

With the ORE Reinforced Bulkheads you don’t lose as much Cargo Capacity, you gain a nice chunk of tank above what the T2 Bulkheads give you and your align time is faster.

I did look at the Shadow Serpentis Inertial Stabilizers numbers and across the board there was about a 1 second faster align time so I’m not sure the bonus is enough to warrant the cost and would recommend sticking with the T2 modules.

Hope these numbers will be useful for you!

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(Zhilia Mann) #2

So there is still a missing factor: you might want to fit hyperspatial accelerators. I’ve gone ahead and made a pretty spreadsheet detailing how much time they can save in conjunction with Ascendencies:

Bottom line here is that warping faster can save you incredible heaps of time.

(Technical note: this is calibrated for an otherwise unfit Providence using my freighter alt’s skills. The variation from freighter to freighter and skill set to skill set here is on the order of \plusmin 0.5 seconds. Because this is a hack job instead of something professional, I didn’t build the case for warps under 4 AU so those times are going to be off.)

(Nikea Tiber) #3

You might also want an alt in a frigate to web you so you enter warp faster.

(yellow parasol) #4

Something maybe worth adding: cheap tank implants boosting the EHP.

3% implants are reasonably cheap.

(Tipa Riot) #5

Not sure if tank fits are useful at all … if you get cought you are dead anyway, I would assume.

(Scipio Artelius) #6

ORE cargo expanders are just under 300 million ISK each, to gain less than 20K extra cargo on a ship that is already over 1 million m^3.

If you are in a situation where you need an extra 20K space, fitting near a billion ISK of modules that could drop is not the way to go.

You’re possibly hauling too much in the first place and ORE mods just makes you an even more shiny target.

The same is also true of the ORE bulkheads.

They are a touch under 300 million each, for an extra catalyst or maybe 2 extra catalyst in a gank fleet.

The economics v the risk doesn’t really play out.

Stick to T2.

(Lady Ayeipsia) #7

You also forgot to cover adaptive nano plating. If you want more tank but can’t lose anymore cargo space, these can work. They are not the best but if time isn’t an issue and you want a little more ehp but need cargo 2 bulkheads and 1 anam works. It works better on say amarr than on Caldari.

(yellow parasol) #8

i don’t know. the thought is based on the probability of gankers not considering the variable. if you take it as equation, and add unknown variables, then the likelihood of surviving increases with every variable the gankers didn’t foresee as possibility. like, for example, a freighter being fleetbuffed without anyone noticing.

(Tipa Riot) #9

As every freighter gets scanned at Jita undock or a couple of jumps further, the gankers know your cargo and fit upfront. Fleet buffs, though difficult to apply with the on grid and active mechanics, would give a clear visible effect.

So the optimization probably worth considering is the ratio cargo value vs tank / gank value. But even better to not transport high value stuff in a freighter.

(yellow parasol) #10

fleetbuffs give a visible effect when applied, but not on the buffed ship itself. a little more imagination would help.

they can be applied tactically, by having the freighter warp to designated safespots in between gates, for example, where he just needs to drive by. it’s doable, though of course prolongs the travel by a bit. not much, though, because it’s just warping to bookmark, exitting warp, hitting ctrl+alt+space immediately, receiving the buff and warping to the gate. rinse and repeat for every system or two.

as it wouldn’t be clearly obvious that the freighter takes a short break in between gates, and because anyone following the freighter would pass it in warp early on, thus missing the break, it seems to me that it’s definitely an option.

(Tipa Riot) #11

This doesn’t sound practical. If you can spare an alt to buff, you can better web the the freighter into instant warp.

(Lady Ayeipsia) #12

Why not do both? Web with your buffer?

That said, there is something to be said for anonymity. You see 2 charond uncloakat a gate. Both start aligning. One is webbed by a corpmate to speed the process up the other not.

Which looks like a better target? Yes the webbed one is harder to catch. Yes the other maybe a fat and easy target. However chances are, the guy being webbed knows what he is doing and if he thinks his cargo is worth the effort of webbing to and from a trade hub, it’s probably a target worth tanking as well.

(Nikea Tiber) #13

Another important consideration is slave implants, especially if you pilot a providence.
If you are going to spend the isk on other faction mods, I’d strongly consider a set of high grade slaves first, especially as they can’t be scanned like your fit can (which can lead to gankers underestimating the amount of firepower they need to bring).

Best practice is still to have an alt in fleet, its free istabs at the very least.

(Cassie Helio) #14

I just want to hop in here and say that you can use our Pilot Optimizer to see how skills, modules, implants, and ships influence your freighter hauling.

Don’t move it, PUSH it.

(Amhra Rho) #15

Oh wow - nice tool!

(Shriven Intaki) #16

Super site!

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