What exactly do you consider ‘HS moon goo’? I mean, if you want to pull the R4s out and leave us with moons worth hundreds of billions of ISK more every month, go for it.
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I mean that hydrocarbons etc should not be included in the moon ore that is native to LS and NS without adding more ore there - the High Sec 2.0 has enough krabbing material
So what do you propose to the moons that have r4s in nullsec? Just remove those and replace them with the more valuable ores?
Right, so, remove the cheap stuff from null and low, and since moon composition is %-based, that means we’d get more of the high-end stuff like Dysprosium.
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What I’m saying is that the HS moon mining will mostly die out with those ores being so useless. Getting rid of them in other regions would make sure the price of those is still viable. And knowing devs, they would prolly cut them out clean and leave you to cry like the rest of indy and call it a day.
Reality can be suspended for game purposes.
my quick calculation estimate R4 has 1/3 of value with these changes
Still leaves the choke point at reactions. Which will drive down the value even more
Right, except they can’t, because moon ores are stored as percentages. When you frack a moon, how long you frack determines the total amount of ore, which is then multiplied out by the varying percentages of the moon’s composition. So if you’ve got a moon that’s (for example), 40% Monazite and 60% Chromite, and you remove the Chromite, now you have a moon that’s 100% Monazite.
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you have a point. So once more, CCP throws us an update, says it’s for the good of the economy and doesn’t say how or why and there is no good solution \o/
If a moon is 50% of 1 thing and 50% of another, if they remove one of them, then you just have 50% of the rocks
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No, you don’t, because a frack is a fixed size based on time. So if a moon is 50% X and 50% Y, and you generate a frack that’s 1,000,000,000m3, that’s 500,000,000m3 of each. But the total volume of rock generated… that’s not based on the %s, that’s based on ‘how long did you frack?’
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This is the worst idea yet I would like to be positive but I don’t know how with is it totally breaks the game law come on you can do so much better than this
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Whelp, I’ll never be interested in Moon Mining again as a small player, so thanks for killing that pursuit.
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We have no real world comparison to see if that makes sense or not, so you can’t really judge it. It is ENTIRELY possible that single cell life/very simple life is actually really common in the universe, but that multicellular life (and intelligent life) are extraordinarily rare. Look at the earth; billions of years of history and yet it was only recently (relatively) that intelligent life (us, allegedly) evolved. So I don’t agree that this is even a problem. We know that there’s at least one moon in just our solar system which has a liquid ocean (Europa I believe, has a liquid ocean under it’s icy surface heated by tidal friction from being so close to Jupiter) and the potential for life, let alone how many there are in the universe. But even if it did have simple life it’s very unlikely that you’d ever get intelligent aliens developing there.
I guess my point is a universe filled with very simple life in most solar systems isn’t inconsistent with our current understanding of the universe.
If the addition goes through long enough until rorq moon compression comes on board, I am curious to see how many wormhole corps will spool up their R4 moons.
With no moon goo compression in high sec, wormholes are the only genuine use case I can see for R4 moon P1 mats compression with rorqs in this way.
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Who said anything about intelligent aliens?
And yes, Europa’s got a liquid ocean. But we’re not talking about moons with liquid oceans. We’re talking about moons that might just have Coesite. No proteins to build cells out of. No water to do all that building in.
Why are you penalizing between the Waste % of T1 and T2. What is the point of ever going to a T2 unit if I’m going to lose ore. I might as well just stay at T1 and mine slower. T1’s should have a higher waste % and T2’s drop it down. This game is not all about NULL. You already moved Ore out of High and in there with the hopes of more activity. [(216) 661-3756] This is Applebee’s why don’t call me up some dinner and I’ll bend over.
I honestly think at this point, they are trying to make us leave the game. Like literally giving their best to do so 
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I´m just annoyed to see so many people talking about orca (and porpoise) miners are ALL afk and thats just a lame, stupid excuse to kill the orca for the solo miners.
It´s just, I repeat, LAME…
Also, and thats the scary part for me, CSM doesn´t represent all players… and all they say, in the first update and more clearly now, they don´t care about miners at all…
And CCP… we can play as we want? Make our own path? You are just killing my way of having fun…
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That’s not actually about null. It’s about newbies, because if adding a newbie to your mining operation means your mining corp gets less ore (because of waste) then there’s a significant disincentive to allow newbie miners into your corp—to the point that multiple members of different orgs flat out told CCP that they wouldn’t do it, so CCP changed things so newbies can actually get hooked into player corps on a mining progession.
You know a lot of the CSM’s been telling CCP that this is all dumb, right? I think the only ones who said ‘everything is fine and people complaining are just whiners’ were VIly, Gobbins, and Kenneth, and I think Kenneth has come around a bit on that.
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