I do not know how to put the question clearer than this: with the same fit, how much does a covetor pull in m3/sec, without boosts, with maxed skills, a reference fit, before and after the changes that ccp plans .
I don’t have time right now to do the math - ill get to it on Sunday - but no boosts you can figure on roughly a 3-4% yield increase with T2/T2 fit
It does not. At most it means less clicking per hour - which is irrelevant - but never less clicking per moon chunk, per asteroid belt, per ore hold. It’s the per time unit you seem to have an issue with.
If you ever mined high end with a Hulk you will know the ore bay only holds a few cycles - so every other cycle you have to drasg from ore hold to a jetcan/orca/rorqual etc - trading duration bonus for yield means the cycle time is slower, hence the longer duration between chucnks appearing in ore hold is longer, therefore you have to click and drag less - therefore less clicks - I don’t know how to say this any other way. It will be the same on any barge - but each barge has its own times you have to do something with the ore.
So let’s not get distracted by what is “good” in our respective opinions. I ask for a quantifier , not a qualifier . I will, for my own play style, determine if it is any good or not.
In the case of exhumers - they traded a duration bonus of 10% (11.11% yield) for a 25% yield bonus - I don’t care what planet you are from that is a good trade - period
I’m confused. I gave you the numbers for a skiff yesterday, and you could clearly see an increase. The numbers are even better for a covetor. Why are you still on about this?
If it was a huge concern to you, you could spend the time running the calculations yourself. Or even better yet, jump on singularity and simulate the fit yourself.
still laughing at p1 coming from a rock without having to be processed from raw PI.
The message here should be clear by now. CCP throws out totally outrageous plans that everyone screams about until they scale it back to merely dumb plans that we grudgingly accept. psychology at its finest.
So let me get this straight, You mine moon goo and magically get P1 material? P1 material that normally has to be made on a planet now on TQ. Well since you are in a giving mood just give us the rest of the PI chain. P1 through P4 on R8 through R64 moons.
NO, they didn’t.
You haven’t actually looked at the duration and yield bonuses on Exhumers, have you.
Exhumers across the board lost 20% duration bonus and yield bonuses are different for each Exhumer.
I strongly urge you to walk back this decision. This is not a solution to the problem, and it will cause further problems down the road.
R4 moon goo is a prime source of these basic minerals, and they represent the livelihoods of many highsec industrialists. Additionally, it doesn’t make sense from a logic standpoint why you would find processed planetary commodities on a barren, airless moon. Why would you be able to find bacteria - living, breathing life - on a chunk of rock that has been violently carved out of the moon by a giant laser, then tractored into orbit? Why oxygen or water for that matter? It’s nonsense.
All this will do is flood the market with P1 commodities, making it not worth the effort to even bother with planets. The passive aspect of PI is why I’m able to dabble in ship construction at all, because I live a very busy life and I only get a handful of hours every week to play, and I don’t necessarily want to spend them mining when I can just make a run on my planets every week. It’s not perfect, and it definitely runs into issues when you have one person trying to scale it up on numerous alts, but it’s a passive form of income that exists in a game where you can already passively make progress because your skills train when you’re offline.
The absence of minerals from R4 will cause spikes in their prices, resulting in further increases in final ship prices. People will be less inclined to take big things out in search of content if they’re worried about not being able to replace them afterward. We were in a good spot when battleships ran for 75-150M - we never thought twice about yeeting them away because we knew we could replace them. Cheap ships are a good thing - with high hull turnover, they’ll always be in demand. If they’re prohibitive to use, they won’t get used, and this is bad news for content in the long run. I know many of the industry changes in the past were to increase the manufacturing costs for capital ships, but this also had the side effect of impacting subcapitals. It seems necessary (and sensical) for these two classes of ships to have different manufacturing processes, primarily in the form of the materials that go into them. There must be a separation between these two aspects of industry, that way changes can be made to one without detrimentally impacting the other in unintended ways.
PI commodities of any kind in moon goo is not the correct solution to this problem. Please reconsider this decision.
It would be a good trade if it results in at least similar or even improved mining speed (in m3/sec), and that’s exactly what I would like to find out. Then I will add my own qualifier, as I wrote before.
You keep referring to hulks, but it’s pretty much the same situation on covetors, and in the lowest of ends, hisec with small asteroids. I don’t know how it is on your planet, but I like to have that ore hold filled up asap.
Mining Bonus changes do NOT affect HOW MANY clicks a total job will require i.e., the total number of clicks, on any planet. They can only affect how fast you will have to click again. An automotive example would be: what do you prefer to travel this distance, a fast car or a slow car. If you love relaxing in cars you’d probably prefer the slower one.
If you want FEWER clicks, Kenneth, ask ccp for an ore hold increase…
if Sisi gets updated, sure. I took it for granted that the authority on industry in the csm would have those numbers handy - apparently that’s not the case. And I sure as hell didn’t expect this to become a lecture on the meaning and significance of a time derivative.
Singularity has been updated, I was doing some mining yesterday evening comparing a hulk vs a mackinaw. They’re both in good places, I think I’ll be upgrading from my skiff.
reality aside… the only reason my corp went back to moon mining because they return the minerals back
The PI they are throwing in will barely help battleship production because it still has the reactions plug. With the value of that PI dropping there’s even less incentive to mine it until the moon goo goes up
Coming soon 4 athanors for sale
Jita riot PROVES that the CSM are clueless what many want
Orca siege module might be fine in null-sec where they can wall themself in but not where I play in high-sec. It just puts a HUGE target on mine
I didn’t bother me about waste. It bothered me that it favored null-sec (No right minded pilot would add that kind of value in high or low security space)
Mining crystal changes are fair even though C-types can be abused
My stupid thought of the week:
You really want to shake up the status quo make asteroids and ice movable (If a frigate can tractor a titan wreck… my orca can certainly tractor a rock).
what you should really fix… Any tree in production need no mining ability… Any battleship need minor investment in smaller ships. but to mine with an orca will need nearly a major investment in production… why the disconnect on one side and not the other?
Just so you know, the exhumers are worth flying in highsec now. Try simulating a few fits with a DCU + compact shield hardeners + compact LSE (if you have shield upgrades 5). Also, I should note that the shield resist bonus isn’t happening in singularity, so the tank isn’t as good as it should be.
