Does this extractor extract 1 mil of my SP instead of 500k or doubles my extracted 500k SP into 1 mil SP?
Let me get this straight - there will be more ore available in New Eden but in order to mine the same amount i currently mine i will need to spend more time in the game than i currently do (because of mine waste and reprocessing waste)?
Thanks. Iāll go unsub my alts right now.
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CCP should refound the SP sunk into rorqs tho. Maybe it is surprising but not everyone is playing in a dumb nullblock where is an infinite amount of rorqs and other stuff, and these changes literally make small groupsās (or even solo playerās god forbid) life miserable. They literally made rorqs non-viable (did anyone really check those numbers???), for non-donut players. The game is a paid service, skills are a ārealā time sink, where we have to wait months to get something. If they make it totally useless for the tasks it had/the tasks which were the reason to train the skills, they really should give the opportunity to reinvest the time. For example if someone just trained into a rorq which is a piece of junk for the role he trained it, CCP literally wasted like 6 months of someoneās time (and that someone paid for those months)ā¦
If you do the math it turns out this is mostly a nerf again, named āprosperityāā¦ At least have the balls and publish everything in the post instead of a stupid excel fileā¦
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@CCP_Dopamine A lot of these changes are interesting, and necessary. On the whole, Iām mostly pleased, as itās clear some thought has gone into the processā¦unlike the so-called āGreat Escapeā which turned out to be the opposite. 
Iām still going through the details. Thereās lots to digest. But one thing I was hoping for, was for the barges and exhumers to have their ore holds significantly enlarged, so as to widen the gap between them and the expedition frigates. There are some modest increases, but not enough to make much of a difference, and now the endurance can carry more ore than 4/6 of the barge/exhumer class ships?!? Given the size disparity, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoeverā¦not that everything in a game must always make perfect physical sense, but I do find this actually does break my immersion a bit, even with the current capacities. Itās too silly not to notice.
I donāt advocate making the holds of the frigs smallerā¦because itās always been made clear that the frigates are meant to enable a kind of industrial explo play-style. I notice the new bonuses for scan strength, and I applaud. Itās pointless, going out into the wild and facing all sorts of danger if you canāt bring enough raw resource back to justify such exertion, so by all means let the frigatesā capacities stand. But at the same time, there needs to be a clearer gap here, between the frigates and the barges. A frig, at most should only equal, never surpass the lowest capacity barge. But an endurance is now a stoneās throw away from a retriever, and surpasses a skiffā¦ 
Ore capacity in barges/exhumers need a much bigger bump than this, and concerns about the Mackinaw surpassing porpoise too much would be moot, since the porpoise can now compress. But hell, why not boost the porpoise a load more anyway? Considering weāre about to enter an era of abundance, this should be very much in line with your intent. Please consider this.
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Exactly my point brotherā¦I paid and waited that time. If your going to overhaul the ship I want my investment back to put elsewhere. its not unreasonable. They are doing it for the reprocessing skillsā¦they can do it here too.
CCPā¦ u are trying to do standup comedyā¦do u ?
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Some really really poor changes across the board, some good. most bad
On the case of the Hulk
A Battlecruiser sized ship
with fitting worse than a frigate
the exhumer skill takes months of training to finish
and all you could come up with is a sig radius bonus that you copied from the Prospect? WTF ARE YOU GUYS SMOKING
Is the Hulk the new Ninja Miner?
Give EXHUMERS room for real fits, itās not that hard! people would actually use these things if they didnt blow up from someone blowing too hard on them.
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EVE Online - New Dawn Nerf
The age of prosperity
for Pearl Abyss
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Iām not a serious miner, but my hot take on this is that CCP doesnāt make a great, or at least obvious, case as to how this increased complexity of game mechanic and re-balancing really offers the game-players a net increase in fun, especially when existing capabilities/platforms are ānerfedā - the latter of which is the predominant theme these days. Maybe the goal is revenue stability and generation, ultimately.
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A bit hard to test without the new skill books on the marketā¦
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ok i understand the nerf to orca and other mining command ships making them more of a booster / protector
i get and support removing the gas bonus from venture even removing gas mining from it making gas more risk reward with what you place in space for the better isk
but narrowing the difference in the mining field of ships not so great
the changes to mining yields and the ability to wreck the enemyās ore operations great
if im understanding you mine the amount but destroy more of the roid removing the on field ore in warfare and mine better slower preserving on feild ore
now the wet fish level oversite of CCP they forgot about pve mining missions when they created this mechanic meaning all mining missions and some starter missions are now and will be broken the second they deploy this unless they create a new range of ores that 100% mine regardless as if you destroy on field ore or mining potential you cant compleate "Well Done CCP "
At least you can test at all. I cant even open the launcher because it says I cant copy files for singularity and my shared cache lacks permission to write.
So the endurance got nerfed into the dirt, why? why on earth would you do this?
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lol yeah, and the Endurance lost itās ice mining specialization in favor of being slower and a little tankierā¦
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Nothing to see really, SiSi doesnāt seem to be updated yet, all ships have the old bonuses, thereās the new skills in the skill panel together with the old ones, and no skill books on the market or for remote injection
So not much to test
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End to scarcity huh, what a total LIE! in a series of lies from CCP
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Reading his responses to concerns about this dev blog is a treat. 
Funny, though, that he and CCP only responds on Reddit. 
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Many, many changes. Donāt understand some of them yet.
However, I look at the changes as CCP presented them: how the game will be played for many years in the future. From that stand point Iām liking what I see on the first read (absent changes to the Orca). Iām sure there will be some friction and chaffing on the transition but all change is that way.
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Can I have your Rorqual?
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Also: Here is a GODDAMN ONLINE SPREADSHEET that everyone can easily navigate and that canāt spread crap. Why would you ever make people download an excel sheet from a dev blog when actual online spreadsheets do a much better job at displaying the content and make it easier to change things for EVERYONE and allow the changes to be tracked easier by EVERYONE?
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