because the timer is there so you can park on enemy territory inviting others to kill you
its not made to be a interesting thing
the pvp is the good part
no real fw pilot want to interact with pve activity , the timer and the npc is like a captcha
on defensive plex there is no captcha but the pay is shait
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Ok, first, why did you just pick on that closing detail of my OP ?
The main subject was Frontlines as a fix to fw farming and warzone pvp in general.
Have anything to say about that instead ?
Ftr, adding a little situational variety to plexes to create more diverse pvp situations was what I was referring to. It couldnât hurt to have some really.
Ever tried catching someone running a mission for instance ? Thatâs more along what iâm referring to, but with a system control element tied to it, and only possible in a handful of contested systems.
The current âslide nâ wait/fight/avoidâ anywhere, anytime, is just boring gameplay, way too simplistic design, creates highly repetitive pvp situations/matchups, and also way too convenient to farmers in its current state.
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i didnât mean to cherry pick your post
i dont know exactly how to dissuade farmers , i think the worst offenders are the mission farmers and they got nerfed , but the nerf needs to be bigger
i kinda like the
so i think we differ in that aspect
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Just one example , other day i killed a minmatar that was in a autocanon punisher , i was in a punisher to
Mine had 11 k ehp pulse laser , his 17 OMG k ehp autocannons
So i proceed to look a his killboard ( i tend to take a look in the zkill of the people i fought )
2 days before he had used that punisher to kill another punisher , blaster fit
besides that i had a dual web beam one docked
i think the variety of ships , fits , and the human aspect make the game never gets old
ofc being ganked by 8 guys for the 200th time is boring , but thats not the optimal outcome anyway
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Just one example , other day i killed a minmatar that was in a autocanon punisher , i was in a punisher to
Mine had 11 k ehp pulse laser , his 17 OMG k ehp autocannonsSo i proceed to look a his killboard ( i tend to take a look in the zkill of the people i fought )
2 days before he had used that punisher to kill another punisher , blaster fit
besides that i had a dual web beam one dockedi think the variety of ships , fits , and the human aspect make the game never gets old
ofc being ganked by 8 guys for the 200th time is boring , but thats not the optimal outcome anyway
Indeed, the combinations of ships/fits alone is a gameplay all on its own.
What Iâm talking about here is not the combination of football players, but more the football pitch/design/environment, that may enhance and multiply the complexity of situations and gameplay.
A good comparison would be going from a one stage design:
To multi-stage design :
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btw lasers are so sweet
Scorch is love, scorch is life
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Why is FW so dead all I find are caldari bot farmers and no pvpers.
Eh, my PVP-alt regularly gets into fights. Generally, every single plex I hang around gets attacked at least once by players. Sometimes, itâs weirdos who think that sure, my T1-Punisher fit like trash will hang around to fight their blingy Cruor, or sad people stopping at the entry gate with their Hecates and Lokis, realizing that yes, this is a frigate-sized complex.
But sometimes, people show up in T1-frigates, or even refit into something sensible, and then I die (because I am the greatest dumbass that ever tried MMORPGs). Anyway, none of my ships tend to survive more than 1 plex on average. If it werenât for the masses of LPs every finished plex generates, Iâd be in a lot of trouble! Lots of fights available, in my experience.
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@Ariel_Tenebrandh omg sounds like you have a healthy and normal FW experience , good for you 
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The funniest fight so far I had when someone dropped by in an Ishkur, realized that the gate wouldnât let him through and then reshipped into a Kestrel to come fight my artillery Punisher.
My idea for that fit was to use a MWD to keep at range and pelt people from safe range. I was defeated by the Kestrel getting a little bit too close and switching off my MWD with their scram. I guess kiting doesnât really work if the pilot has worse reflexes than your typical sand dune!
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What can I say? Months ago I bought and stashed a dozen Punishers and projectile guns in my FW-base and now I have to use them.
But luckily Iâve now used up my stock of small artillery and am back to autocannons! Also I remembered I have some Slashers, too. So thatâll be my next two deaths. AC Punisher and AC Slasher. 
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i like AC , generous fitting , donât waste cap, nice tracking , but they are infidel guns
cant use them 
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My PVP-alt is an Amarr knight who had a religious epiphany and has now joined Gallente to fight against slavery. She luckily, can use whatever she wants.
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Good woman. 
im totally against enslavement of amarr people
Do as I say, not as I do?
it was a typo
the minmatar need some guidance
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These skies will be free!
Free of flying space junk?
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IN RUST WE TRUST
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Masuaâtaa Matari Have now opened recruitment up to all except Amarr have a look were founding corp of uk oldest alliance in New Eden were older players and RL comes first send me a message if interested
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