In your opinion maybe.
Maybe you should stick to nullsec as your current knowledge of hisec appears to be lacking.
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Your current knowledge of anything is always lacking…
Really?
How many times have I corrected you about something you’ve posted about game mechanics that is blatantly wrong, which you’ve then written off as “it was a test” in order to cover your ignorance?
How many times have you done it to me?
Zero times. The only thing you could explain to me is what the inside of a station looks like…
I did it several times on the old forums, drone mechanics is one that springs to mind.
Is your memory selective?
Selective fantasy…
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
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Jonah, you obviously want to divert attention from your fail reading and comprehension above where you missed the /
I never said I was perfect, and Eve is a complicated game, in which people learn things almost every day. I have in the past made errors in understanding mechanics, but I am one among many, I am big enough in my own shoes to hold my hands up when I am wrong, but you cannot even admit to missing this /
It may be that you corrected me on something, and that you remember it means that it was important to you, it was immensely unimportant to me as I cannot remember it, but I have got things wrong, so what?
However I first really reacted to you after you posted a nasty attack on another player castigating him for not fighting back in a war dec when you have never PvP’d yourself. And that hypocrisy by you was so amazing that I have never forgotten it.
People I have talked to recently call you a good lad etc., but really…
Except for the part where I didn’t miss it, try actually reading what is written instead of letting your prejudices dictate what you see.
If I’m wrong I’ll happily admit it, and have done so publicly on several occasions.
It may be that you corrected me on something, and that you remember it means that it was important to you, it was immensely unimportant to me as I cannot remember it, but I have got things wrong, so what?
You can’t remember because your first instinct has always been to say “I knew that, I was testing you”
However I first really reacted to you after you posted a nasty attack on another player castigating him for not fighting back in a war dec when you have never PvP’d yourself. And that hypocrisy by you was so amazing that I have never forgotten it.
I’ve never claimed to be a PvPer, and I’ve always been very open about it; with that in mind where is the hypocrisy?
People I have talked to recently call you a good lad etc., but really…
Needless to say you don’t agree with them, and I’m fine with that; I don’t particularly like you either.
You can’t see it can you, you are that dense.
Never seen you admit anything, you are Mr Upyourself. But then again I skip most of your posts…
Never said that, I admit when I was wrong, You can confirm that with Remiel who corrected me on something.
But you post like one, dismissive, contemptuous etc., what gives you the right to post like someone who blows stuff up.
I would not go as far as saying I don’t like you, I don’t know you from you adam, but your posting persona sure sucks.
You can’t see it can you, you are that dense.
I saw it just fine…
Never seen you admit anything, you are Mr Upyourself.
Pot meet kettle.
Never said that, I admit when I was wrong, You can confirm that with Remiel who corrected me on something.
Bovine fecal matter, you may admit you’re wrong occasionally but you have posted in a similar vein to the remark I made.
But you post like one, dismissive, contemptuous etc., what gives you the right to post like someone who blows stuff up.
What gives you the right to say that I can’t? My money is as good as yours and my track record at not dying to other players due to using the game mechanics to my advantage demonstrates that I know what I’m talking about most of the time.
I would not go as far as saying I don’t like you.
That was probably poorly worded, I don’t like your forum persona.
I don’t know you from you adam, but your posting persona sure sucks.
Likewise.
Well I shall leave it here o7
NUKE THIS THREAD OUT OF EXISTANCE
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I was out of the office for only a few hours!
Why is everything on fire?
–Gadget looks for an extiguisher
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It is nice to see that CCP doesn’t automatically lock threads anymore that some seem to purposely try to troll out of existence when they don’t like what is being proposed.
Though I am a bit unsure about the “chat like” nature of the new forums. Seems to generate far too much useless content.
It’s not that I don’t like the content. I totally get that there will always be more than one way people see things.
What I’m not a fan of is someone putting their fingers in their ears when you’re talking, only to post the same thing over and over that people are refuting.
There comes a time when bumping / ganking / wardecs / scamming / cloaky camping thread #4738 is time to be closed. Most of not all these ideas are best suited in the player ideas sub-forums but there should be stickies topics at each of the appropriate sections for things like: ganking, scamming, wardecs, and all that so we have one thread that ISD and devs can control.
I’m totally open for discussion. I will listen to you and your points (you can ask @Dracvlad we’ve had some heated discussions and he has really laid out some decent points) but you need to listen to me as well. Where I can be faulted at is not giving people that clearly lack true experience or insight the benefit of the doubt. Sure they have opinions too and that’s cool, but I just hate how it always starts into some witch hunt because Terrible Player #69 was ganked in his triple expanded freighter while not scouting himself or preparing himself as much as his attackers went through the trouble of preparing themselves.
What I would really like to see is a TRUE moderated discussion where everyone gets a chance to talk and discuss this. It’s very clear there are lots of people that hate bumping, and those players deserve to hear my counter-argument in a positive manner just like I can listen to theirs.
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Thanks, for the repeat. Having to search through 700+ posts would suck. I’ll bullet point your list for easier reading…
- Gives too much tactical advantage.
- Too much time for fleet formation.
- Gives the ganker too much freedom on when to gank.
- Lets the ganker pick the system in which to gank.
- Control of the grid (battlespace).
- Allows for the “stacking” of targets.
- Move the gank off the gate.
- Can bump for a long period of time.
- Too easy.
Would you say that is rather accurate of your position. I’ve reworded/omitted some aspects. For example you noted too controlled, but I felt that you had already noted that with control of the grid. BTW, I numbered them purely for easier reference, the order of numbering carries not implications–i.e. number 4 could be the most important.
Can we maybe look at condensing and/or combining some of these? The first one, for example, really seems to be an overall summary of the remaining points. It gives too much tactical advantage because (see the rest of the list). Numbers 2, 3 and 8 could be listed under the “too long a time”, but maybe having these sub-reasons is good.
I think we agree here to some extent. I would say give “enough time for a gank fleet to get to the target” don’t touch EHP. If we make it really short like 3 minutes or less, then an EHP nerf might be called for. And if the warp off timer is reset via suicide point no EHP nerf. And yeah, “enough time for a gank fleet to get to the target” is wide open and where alot of the disagreement will happen.
It is until there is a change and then people are back here complaining. Kind of like the change to wreck HP or the watchlist.
What were you saying about bullshite and emergent game play? 
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Because Salvos.
Bumping aside, isnt time for EHP nerf on whales? Sure there is CODE which will only profit from this as they are already more than capable to kill freighter anywhere (except low/null haha). But current ehp of the whales are bit problem for smaller entities in 2k18. Sure there is a multibox gank meta to work around the fact that there are less players but is that really something that we should consider?
I don’t know history of the EHP on freighter but generally, what do you think about that?
Pretty good overview,.
Sorry about the bullshite comment was not meant to be insulting, I just could not work out what the second paragraph was trying to say and it was a bit too abstract. People will always have something to moan about, people like moaning basically.
We went for it on chat in Discord, at times it got a bit tense, but we talked it through, was a good discussion.
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