It’s all kept in game right? Do we still have bonus room stuff going on? No?
It’s a role playing game, again. What psychological violence is going on? Because someone gets invited to a chat room and they get role played to? Maybe it’s just the trash talk and banter yeah?
Some people apparently believe that harsh criticism on the forums is “psychological violence” and really don’t like it when they get called out on their habit of throwing around insults and then hiding behind weasel words and threats to call mommy the moderators to ban anyone who hits back.
#NotAllRidleyRohans
Yes, there is indeed place for both gankers and carebears. They are all part of the game.
This whole thread is ugly. SOME people should know when to quit. Arguing like this for days on end isn’t the sign of a sane mind.
I thought that was the authentic “General Discussion” experience…
I don’t even know how a sane argument is supposed to look anymore.
Something the OP and many others here fail to examine and consider is that a gank can totally seem unprofitable… until you find out that the gank ships were produced under market value… and the specific ships that get targeted by gankers can totally be sold on the market by gankers.
Keeping the economy rolling in New Eden through destruction. So any assumption that seemingly unprofitable ganks are just that assumption. Till then just enjoy the game and adapt or die.
He says. Then adds for a second time:
As if thats some form of intellecual argumentation with no intent of harassment.
Its only a matter of time before he yet again puts some words I didn’t say into a quote box with my name on it.
And he doubles down on the weasel words lie.
And yes I have called for people to be banned, but its got nothing to do with “hitting back”. It was for repeatedly not discussing in good faith and repeatedly violating the rules of this forum and its subsections. But favoritism is clear on this board, so we can see why it all continues.
But as I have said many times, EVE was designed to cater to griefers, while making an effort to appear to not be catering to griefers, so its no surprise the official forum follows suit.
You can legitimize high sec ganking all you want…you can cite other reasons why different people do it… .but griefers especially are drawn to it. Its obvious. Not many griefers are role playing as care bears. This is all blatantly obvious.
You’ll find very few exemples of it here. This thread is 300 posts long and more than 3/4 is just arguing for the sake of argument.
Back on topic.
Dude, you got ganked. It’s nothing special. You’re not the first and won’t be the last one.
People who feel that they have to start a thread because they got ganked have no business playing this game.
I think the thread was started for many reasons, one of which was to relay a reason why some people gank. This is useful information and insight not only for players of EVE, but also in real life, because griefers are not only present online.
Its an old topic to be sure. But its horrifying to me the way people who are obviously griefers and existing almost solely for the purpose of griefing, are continually given benefit of any doubt, or excused in some manner.
People who grief sometimes only are bad enough. But the people who seem to exist for it are always sliding through the cracks…like the cop who pepper sprayed young protesting females corralled up, slipped into the crowd, and a different cop got bashed for it. Their constant and sickening transgressions are far older than threads like this.
Yeah, I know. I also add my share of shitposting, memes and jokes. Just to lighten the mood a little. So I’m guilty too. I mean, to be fair all that needs to be said on this topic could be done in maybe 3-4 posts.
“I got ganked and I feel mad about it.”
“Oh, I’m sorry to hear that. But in this game, that is perfectly valid gameplay. Just try to fly what you can afford to lose, brush off the loss and go on with your life.”
“Thanks. Good to know, that in EVE there is room for both ganking and carebear gameplay. I appreciate the help.”
What I’ve learned over the years, is that if you are not in a heated debate over semantics or have failed to establish a common premise before engaging in an intense discussion, then you are doing something wrong.
I don’t need to. It’s indisputably legitimate as stated by CCP, and as recognized by anyone with any sense at all. EVE is a PvP game and people like you need to deal with it.
It was for repeatedly not discussing in good faith and repeatedly violating the rules of this forum and its subsections.
Bold words coming from someone who called gankers sociopaths and incessantly insults anyone who disagrees with him.
(And is the ban evasion alt of Ridley Rohan.)
But the people who seem to exist for it are always sliding through the cracks…like the Renly Rohan who pepper sprayed young protesting females corralled up, slipped into the crowd, and an innocent ganker got bashed for it. Their constant transgressions are far older than threads like this.
Damn, that’s horrifying. Some Renly Rohans are truly evil people.
No it wasn’t.
Y’all keep saying this, but none of you understand what this would actually mean in practice. If that were the case, then defenders wouldn’t have the same amount of agency as attackers, but they do.
No one designed EVE to cater to any specific type of people. EVE was designed as an open-world experience in which players interact freely. It just so happens that aggressors will win more conflicts than passive players because they seek those conflicts, meaning that aggressors will be more skilled and experienced. This has nothing to do with being catered to.
What you’re saying is as ridiculous as saying that gyms cater to fit people instead of obese, cheeseburger-guzzling slobs. It makes no sense, and the faster you drop that victim attitude, the quicker you’ll find satisfaction and happiness, both inside EVE and outside of it.
I don’t think Eve Online was designed as a griefer’s paradise or anything. I think CCP knew that it would draw behavior that would be unsavory and against the TOS in other games… but it’s this difference between Eve Online and other games that often times finds CCP having their creation featured in headlines of video game media for the interesting things that occur - TheJudge flipping CO2 on their back for instance.
Also what is actually griefing? Is killing another player griefing? What about if it’s done for sport because you enjoy killing industrial-minded vessels? What if it’s done for profit?
Is trash talking griefing? Is roleplaying a group of heretic space police griefing?
CCP has rules against actual griefing and actual harassment and we’ve seen them enforce them before. If the individuals being referred to as griefers aren’t getting warnings, suspensions, and bans then maybe it’s your definition of griefing that needs evaluation.
But the defenders don’t! Look, it’s indisputable fact that once you’re declared to be a defender your safety is locked permanently to green and you can never initiate aggression.
Parsing that sentence you quoted and addressing only the front half of it was stupid beyond belief. Utterly useless response as well.
Can’t be bothered with whatever the hell else your wrote after that. You just either can’t or won’t discuss in good faith.
Yep.
But remember, only some Ridley Rohans are raving lunatics with anger issues.
If it were as simple as considering violence as the only form of counter-play to other violence, I’d concede the argument to them. But there are nearly infinite methods of evasion, avoidance, et cetera. As defenders, they can win every conflict they encounter without firing a shot. They just choose not to because it’s not as convenient as remaining fully passive.
For example, using a scout is a perfect, categorical defense against gate camps (and many other forms of aggression). Yet campers get thousands of kills every day. Why? Because all the “victims” believe they are entitled to not engage in counter-play. And the obligation to engage in counter-play is therefore interpreted as the game being designed to cater to “griefers.” Some crazy mental gymnastics right there.
You just compared legitimate RPG players to perpetrators of horrific real-life assault crimes, and you’re criticizing people for not arguing in good faith?
What the ■■■■ is wrong with you?
Well, if anyone wanted to see what attempted griefing looks like, there it is, complete with a false quote box as predicted.
But I no longer feel my reputation is in danger. Others have also pointed out his lack of worth on the forum. What you have to ask yourself now is, why is it tolerated?
I am sorry. There were too many qualifiers in there for you keep in your head all at once. But I did not do what you just claimed I did. I cannot simplify the concepts enough for you. Sorry. It just can’t be done.