Gerard Gains Achievements

Yesterday I looked at my character window and saw this recently added number under my name.

[20]

Apparently this number 20 is very important, as it took away my ear and a third of the portrait I had carefully positioned in the past to represent my face.

Looking at my alternate characters, I saw a similar number. And not just that, it was higher there than this low number on my main character.

I came to a conclusion that apparently… I am playing the game WRONG.

Achievements in EVE

Recently EVE added achievements. Knowing achievement gameplay from many other games I’ve played, this could positively be seen as a way to engage the ‘achievers’ players of the Bartle taxonomy of player types. It helps players flaunt how much they have played or what they have accomplished in the game to others.

Negatively this could be seen as a cheap way to increase player engagement by encouraging highly repetitive gameplay without adding extra content, and as yet another dark pattern in gaming.

Either way, I never thought achievements would be added to EVE.

After all, EVE is a sandbox game which encourages specialization, encourages players to find a niche, encourages creation and use of multiple specialized characters (each account already starts with three slots, if we ignore all the multiple account support!), encourages players to find their own place in the universe to live in and all that by offering not rails to play on (like a themepark game), but game mechanics to engage with like a sandbox game.

This means the idea of fitting in a generalist completionist type of gameplay which encourages players to do everything in the game on a single character and tells the player exactly what they should do and should not do, and how often they should do that is severely at odds with the original game design of EVE.

But here we are.

Achievements have been added to put EVE on rails. These achievements now tell me to do everything on my main character:

  • Mining on my mining-skilled character is wrong.
  • Trading on my trading character is wrong.
  • And whatever I’ve been doing last month in the little playtime I had is all wrong too, because I still only have 20 points.

Achievements on Gerard

I looked through the achievement list for one that suited me.

As longstanding member of Brave the activity of salvaging always has been a bit of our identity, where people joked that enemies would be salvaged before the fight is even over.

So I looked for an achievement based on salvaging. And to my surprise it required not a ridiculous high number like 5000 combat sites or 2.5 million units of ore, but only 500 wrecks.

About 11 sites worth, or about 2 hours including the killing.

Anyway, as a dad with little playtime I smartbombed a couple sites last evening and three more this morning so now I have achieved something!

‘Recycling Enthusiast’

Okay. I guess that’s a title. I’m not really enthusiastic about it. A title like ‘scavenger’ might have been more fitting and looked nicer, but it’ll do.

In the mean time I also got 10 more points as I made progression towards 5000 combat sites, because in order to drag myself through endlessly salvaging wreck after wreck in what I guess was about 30 minutes total for the full complete salvaging achievement I did like a whole 11 more out of 5000 combat sites!

It’s not like all activities require equal amount of effort to achieve something, right?

Conclusion

I have yet to conclude something as I find it inappropriate to give opinions about something I haven’t tried yet, so stay tuned for more achievements as I drag myself this time through mining 2.5 million units of Arkanor in null sec in a T1 Procurer on my non-mining character, which I calculate should take me only about 700 hours.

Maybe if the game allowed me to use my maxed out T2 mining skills (which are on my specialized mining character) and had properly balanced the mining achievement by requiring volume instead of units so that null sec wasn’t screwed having to mine 160 times longer than high sec miners on Veldspar (which has units 160 times smaller than the types of ore in null), it could take me a far more reasonable fraction of that time.

But no, achievements tell us how to play now, so now I have to mine at my personal slowest pace for 700 hours in order for the number under my name to show I am not playing the game wrong.

Stay tuned for another update when I reach that achievement in about 3 years from now!

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I’m at 295, but I wasn’t really trying and had no idea what it was (I just looked it up after reading your post). Some of these are just stupid - like running 10k combat sites. Yeah, no thanks…

For some reason all of the achievements are high sec centric.

I get the feeling that whoever made them plays in high sec, if they play at all.

Exploring regions? HS regions only, some LS. Mining ores? Let’s count units! (when units in HS are 160 times smaller). Killing capsuleers or non-capsuleers? How about you travel to LS or HS to do that instead of where you live!

Either way, it appears you’re much better at this game than I am with your 295 points versus my 80.

I just ignore those numbers. They are completely useless and that ‘score’ (if you wanna call it that) should be removed from character info window.

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No, I suspect that I’m way worse. Unless we’re gauging this by ears (in which case I’m up on you by 1).

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as a wormholer i am enjoying mining 1 million units of r4 moon goo, I have almost made 20 million isk so far and it’s only been a few weeks.

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Top Tier Trader

Gerard took a break from mining at a crawling pace to sell a portion of the stuff of my PI alt instead of letting said PI alt handle the trades.

Gerard is now a MARKET TYCOON

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Who knew doing all the trades with my main was the right way to play?

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Damn, you should start a twitch channel or something.

Gerard’s Eve - The market Tycoon

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600M is a lot of ISK!

One could call it ‘market manipulation’, but selling worthless SKINR elements on the market to your other character for whatever number is required to reach 10 billion ISK is what I would call ‘title manipulation’.

As I bought a 2.5B T2 carrier skillbook I needed anyway on Gerard instead of on the carrier pilot (you shall not trade on alts!) I only needed to spend about 7 billion more. After suddenly increasing the regional market value of the otherwise inconspicuous Villore Viridescent Matte - Limited SKINR element by a few billion ISK by selling it to myself a couple of times at unreasonable prices (effectively spending about 600m ISK in taxes and donating a part of that to my alliance), Gerard now is a Big Spender:

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Who knew that selling items to yourself on the market for vastly inflated amounts is the right way to play?

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I love achievements. It is a great content that can help keep players interested in the game for longer.

If done right.

But as with everything, CCP fails to do it right. Grindy achievements that are just about high numbers are stupid and useless. I don’t have to really do anything I normally don’t do and yet I will automatically collect most of them if I play long enough.

Maybe the core design of this game prevents to make interesting, non-grindy, yet accessible achievements. Honestly I can’t think of much myself either…

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Btw I like this “feature”. It is a good indicator that the player didn’t play for a long time. Useful when you want to trim your contact list off inactive players.

They could also be playing the game, while playing it ‘wrong’.

I thought there wasn’t any “wrong” way to play this game? :rofl:

Well with achievements there clearly is a ‘right’ way to play now which is playing to make the number go up, and a ‘wrong’ way to play which does not make the number go up.

Achievements explain how to correctly play this game and if you aren’t doing that, the number below your name tells everyone how bad you are at the game.

I still would very much demand an option from FC to disable this stuff completely.

I want decide myself if i show anything, including how much or not i have done in a pure number. I want to be able to not announce anything with this regard to anyone.

It is always some form of intel that someone will most readily be able to abuse for something.

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I completely agree.

We should be able to hide the achievement number from our character window.

That now is a way to tell whether somebody has logged on recently or not. You can track active players with this thing now. Not in any way other than that they’re just logging on, but still, kind of an iffy development if you asked me.

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Nah, even if you play it the ‘wrong’ way, you’ll still be tagged with that number. Even my alts that do nothing (i.e. very little) have this number. The only way you don’t get it when logging on, is if you seriously just sit in a station and look at the walls. Which is the same as not logging on at all.

hmm im curious where mine is

geo has nothing on beside his name.

one of my soe alts
hmm nothing on any of em..