well the theories say otherwise but let’s not discuss quantum physics here 
I edited with a link to the part of the quantum theory that says explicitly that you are wrong
I quote again :
According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, there is no fundamental reality that the quantum state describes, just a prescription for calculating experimental results. There is no way to say what the state of a system fundamentally is, only what the result of observations might be.
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some do…
Actual example : ryan costello…
And most dont.
Next.
And many worcoholics do not drop dead too…but that does not prove worcoholism is not unhealthy 
I quote again, seems you need some specific efforts to teach you why you are completely out of the topic :
That’s the real meaning of the Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle
People think it means "we can’t " but that’s wrong interpretation. It means, “people who think it makes sense are wrong”.
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Ah but we arent talking about workohol.
We are talking about enjoyohol.
Its sugar free and tastes grrreat!
What you fail to see is that heisenbergs “solution” is just that…a simple solution to explain states we cannot clearly define right now…it’s nothing more than an easy exit like f.e. dark matter and dark energy…
But theories like that were blown away by better ones in the past and this is not different
It’s not a solution. It’s a principle of quantum theory.
So when you talk about quantum theory that says “sub atomic particles are defined by their states” it’s a plain lie.
Quantum theory stopped trying to describe reality, and instead focused on predicting the observable reactions.
The notion of “reality” disappeared with the quantum theory.
You invoking quantum theory as a proof of reality is a complete failure.
Ok, I admit that’s not what we were taught on uni 
They are not the same. They can evaluate to the same only if you get maximization of “best” in all areas - then you reach optimal. but on it’s own “good/better/best” and improvement applies to one field, while optimization applies to all.
I’m not sure what group you are a part of…
but you seem lacking in information
it may be true for real world, but eve online due to it’s nature as a product of human hands is infinitely less complex.
keyword there was “some”
but that one is slightly more complex than you portray for a change - at least assuming I have understood you well - there is a mild difference between acknowledging that one is ok with current performance and is willing to stagnate on it, and someone who is not willing to accept it, but refuse to do proper research. And people complaining about inability of getting 100mill isk/h in high sec are in the other category.
(I think I could get to that number if I cared enough )
you do realize that one can enjoy one’s job and still be able to “switch off” to rest? Not to mention that having heart attack at 40 usually indicates that you were either over-stressed or had dietary issues…
(here is old saying that may provide helpful to that discussion: “find employment in something You love, and you won’t work a single day in your life”)
Well if we were supposed to go philosophical on that, absolute reality does exist, it’s just no one is capable of perceiving it properly.
Issue with quantum physics is that attempt at observing the particle already changes it’s state. Which introduces alot of issues in attempts to properly model it.
keyword - of quantum theory
and he referred to quantum physics
subtle difference, but important one.
anyway folks was nice to chat with ya but I need to leave my office building, sooo see ya somewhen somewhere o7
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You really think your coming heart attack cares about your enjoyment of the reason he approaches you?
Well you are wrong…totally and absolutely…
Not if you disagree heisenberg…
He just pulls out the “everything at the quantum level is magic” card and does not even CARE about an explanation…and exactly those explanations will prove his theory beeing the crap it is…
I have none before you ask…but the future will show…
Youre the one making the point that enjoying your job causes heart attacks.
So well done claiming yourself wrong >.<
That much “enjoyment” that you even cannot switch off “what you are good at in your job” in a game is ideed unhealthy…
You have no point to deny that…
And that was the whole trigger for this discussion
No, it was your assumption that enjoyment = doing something excessively.
Which says more about your hobbies than anyone elses.
The exact terms imply each other, therefore semantically the same.
The group of people who like to search for variables in the game ?
Indeed. and maybe all the models that are made believing they have all the information are actually wrong ?
see above.
multiply by … 3 ? 4 ? And then we can start to discuss .
How can you prove it exists if nobody can see it ?
Yes, but what’s more : issue with quantum physics is that we want to make reality fit our perception. That’s why QP introduce a lot of “things” that make zero sense for us (spin…), but do match the obervations.
Quantum mechanics, ( QM ; also known as quantum physics , quantum theory , the wave mechanical model , or matrix mechanics ),
literally zero difference.
But you CANT use quantum theory and not accept this principle.
It’s intrinsic to QT.
If you invoke QT then you accept it does not describe reality. There is no way around it.
NO HE DOES NOT. That’s intrinsic to QT. You have no idea what QT is, how it appeared…
And then you prove yourself wrong in the same sentence.
It’s funny how the loser Duos switched topic,
declaring that I am talking about validity of something,
when all I did was pointing out that our PvE is easy and definitely not fighting.
So many losers. Losers. Literally real life losers.
Honestly, I really would love to find out more about these people real lifes.
It must be super interesting and depressing alike.
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He doesn’t even comprehend what you’re typing.
He just reads whatever his brain forces him to read.
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I’m still having trouble understanding your argument here. As a personal example, before I became an attorney I was an archaeological field tech. My favorite job I ever had. There were things about the work that I absolutely loved–the discovery, the culture, the connection with the past, to name a few. I stayed late because it was FUN, not because I was obsessed with the work.
Even though I worked longer hours and got paid less than I do now, my overall stress level was quite a bit lower because I was really enjoying what I was doing. There are things about my job I like now, but there are definitely times I wish I could be doing anything but working, and that’s stressful. Working isn’t per se unhealthy, but stress is.
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implication does not mean equasion…
if eve working was having that many unresearcjed variables, I’d have a plethora of tools for calculating isk per hour from pretty much every activity available. But I do. For Years now. Calculating potential optimum from that is just a matter of running a script on those tools
but it would not be fun.
well maybe I could but then I don’t think I care enought to go that far and beyond on isk/h metric. I have funnier things to theorycraft and optimize in-game as it is
hence - philosophical
Just because wikipedia list it as synonims does not mean it’s syntactically same. One means… well theory, and other means underlying laws governing actual thing. So if we went all the way down to the bottom of words meaning quantum theory is an attempt at describing quantum physics within our ability to perceive and understand it.
But yeah I’ll admit that using these two in here as synonims is far more common.
Nah You know what’s funnier? the fact that this came from one of the original derailers of the thread. Where all the OP said was basically “hey guys don’t be scared to see red on your healthbar, it’s funnier this way”
Frankly for someone so constantly butthurt about people enjoying their game in a different way than You do it’s ironic that it’s you calling everyone else a “real life loser”.
I may be wrong, but I’d say that if your real life was all so great and good You would not feel the need to throw the word “loser” on internet forums so often as You do.
Now have a great evening, night, whatever everyone, off I go to enjoy mine, will bump back in next time I’ll be bored at work or something
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