And you can’t tell anybody about it, because that will either prove that you are a weakling, or that you deserve it, or that you want it… and then you can read yet another forum thread about how YOU are the griefer.
Yep. Preach.
I find people rarely know what actual griefing is.
They know, they just don’t want to admit it.
Griefing is like when you play Monopoly, and when a miner lands on your square you try to EXTORT the miner for money, and when he freaks out and flips over the game board and throws pieces at you and curses and threatens to cause you physical harm and doubles down on the fact that he is SERIOUS about physically assaulting you in real life and then you have the nerve to troll him by pretending that you are “just playing the game” and suggesting that perhaps he needs to “calm down” - that’s griefing.
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Ive played eve now for over a year. I have held the rank of filthy fleet miner. among other things, running now a fleet of 8 dig-dugs and command ships to carry out industry related work.
In that, ive been attacked plenty of times by safety. And other random factions around the verse.
Sometimes, I lost assets, sometimes I tanked through it. And sometimes I parked the fleet to carry out irl matters
I never considered these attacks to be griefing. I did, and do consider it sandbox game play, and a good gf no matter who survived the day.
I consider the chat “de-brief” to be fair game… if you enter the chat room and interact, you are a willing participant I found that, the victim tends to he more hostile and profane than the attacker.
Diplomacy is a thing in null sec and low sec, when trying to enter and go about business in some areas there. Safety has their own brand of diplomatic interactions by way of *permits.
As it has applied to me, Aiko and safety (bar some hardliners) have honored permits that I have acquired for my fleet. This furthers my point that this is less about griefing and more about establishing a pvp presence in hi sec. It’s also a method of role play… one that I can respect.
If it wasn’t for safety and Aiko, I would not have evolved to balance fits and strong consideration to pvp when fitting ships. That evolution transcends into other activities that I go about that isn’t mining.
All that said. Afk mining and bot mining is a cancer. It’s not how the game is intended to be played.
Those who actively play, employ pvp into your fitting, learn strategies to win instead of lose. Consider engaging in pvp more often to understand the game from different perspectives
Don’t complain on a loss, consider it a teaching moment.
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Step back a bit, most people I know acknowledge what you just said, avoiding them is also fun and adds to the game, stopping them ganking is a challenge and even shooting them so their loss shows on the Zkill stats is a blast…
The negative side of this is the sheer extra effort doing what is already a boring exercise in game which is moving stuff in slow to warp and slow warping ships over many jumps. While doing this you are not doing fun stuff. If CCP added the ability to run a BS MWD to a freighter to get into warp fast that would help things a bit and also make the freighter less vulnerable, at least a little.
And the worst issue is that a solo hisec player is very vulnerable as he cannot scout the next gate, and as such it is more negative for the more casual player. But gankers will tell you that they are not real Eve players.
As an Eve player I think that the balance is still in favour of the gankers in adding to the game.
Now that bumping is sensible I think the overall effect is positive, however there are still some balance issues in terms to opposing gankers such as scooping to a DST and tethering, tethering being also the worst kind of AFK play, watch the fleet orbit next to a certain Fortizar in Uedama to get a feel for that. I could detail more but it is a bit tedious.
The odd thing is that when I define the issues with opposing ganking in game, I get told that I want to end ganking, which says more to the fragile mindset of some of the gankers than anything else. Don’t forget that this is a very lucrative way to make ISK and is pretty much mechanical farming.
Enjoy avoiding them, I do.
At the contrary, if warping through EVE space did not have any PvP dangers to look out for, it would be boring. The fact that anything could happen to me at any time and that I need to pay a little attention is just that tiny thing that makes it bearable.
Also a MWD on freighters to make it align in 10 seconds makes no sense. Why would freighters not have an align time of 10 seconds if they were meant to align in 10 seconds? They’re huge fat slow freighters, carrying massive volumes of goods, if any ship is supposed to be slow but big, it’s freighters. (The fact that the bowhead can use a MWD to do so is in my opinion a mistake.)
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So, the hauling end of it is not something I can speak to, but the mining is.
The game encourages interaction with others and corps and or alliances bring about that interaction.
To your point with solo players, developing acquaintances in game is useful.
Ganking is lucrative, but to the gankers I’ve spoken to, just fun, a challenge and a form of pvp in hisec. So, as to the griefing argument, my original post stands
Sometimes I get surprised when people say something like this:
That is not what I said.
More importantly the BS MWD would not get in the way of the ganking, because they use a suicide point to stop the warp and combat probes to place the fleet on them directly. It has no impact on their ganking at all, but makes moving stuff around less of a chore.
As such I much prefer using a bowhead because of this. So if I have to have the extra effort of avoiding gankers, why not make things warp faster. That is my opinion. As I said it has no impact on ganking at all as BS MWD does not affect the method they use to gank.
It’s kind of the opposite of what you said. Intentionally.
You say PvP makes a hauling, a boring exercise, take extra effort. I say the possibility of PvP is just the thing that makes hauling bearable, as if there was no possibility of PvP danger and people to outsmart, where is the challenge?
So you would ask people to do this for you and coincide your logins to move stuff around, which is just more waiting around… in a boring part of the game. In other words long slow warps and slow to get into warp…
Still I do concur because we have often helped people move through certain systems.
I have already said that.
I know you do not like the BS MWD on the bowhead, but I love it.
Then you are grandstanding and creating a strawman.
You would actually solve all of your concerns with a fellow capsuleer that was in your time zone and aligned with your efforts…
A stasis fit frigate would get you around town much faster in your freighter… this is a tactic well documented.
And we are no longer talking about griefing, rather complaining about miscellaneous items now?
There is a section for posting ideas to the dev team… anything else is just rhetoric
There are many players with just one account, do you hate them?
Nah, I have spoken and interacted with a lot of single account hisec players, and no one really looks after them.
You started to talk about hisec ganking when this was not about that subject at all and then you complain when I reply to your off topic post, really?
Wow. Seems like we have entered Karen territory… I’ll leave you to it
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An insult when someone has a more informed and experienced viewpoint on solo hisec play, most notably in terms of moving stuff around, with hauling contracts and the like. How many hisec haulers have you interacted with over your time playing Eve? As for your final reply, you will fit in well in the Eve forums, how unoriginal…
PS that Karen thing is incredibly sexist.
PPS. I just noticed you are ganker aligned in terms of your in game bio, that explains the butthurt reaction to me.
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You do want to end ganking. If given a big red button that when pushed would do it, you absolutely would push it. Or you would at least make ganking so difficult and prohibitive, that it would be nearly impossible to even attempt to do it. You’d make it so that something like 40 players and 2 billion ISK are needed to gank a barge, and 200 players and 40 billion ISK are needed to gank a freighter, and then you’d strut around with a smug look on your face saying “heh, you can gank if you want to, and if you don’t have enough friends or money to do it, then that’s just because you’re not skilled enough 
” knowing fully well that it can’t be done in any practical manner.
We know your game. We know because we’ve been playing it for decades now. We know exactly what you want, and how you’re going to try to accomplish it by picking away at the mechanics piecemeal to try to prevent anyone from noticing. Slightly less bumps here, an MWD there, throw in some more EHP, let’s remove tether, let’s remove docking at NPC stations, let’s prevent outlaw ship boarding, etc. etc. It will never stop until ganking stops.
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No, I did not pretend that my opposing opinion was the same as what you were saying. My post was not a strawman, but an opposing opinion.
Fair enough. Still think it is tedious moving stuff with freighters and less so with a bowhead…, but that is my opinion, because of the extra effort around in moving stuff around the gankers. When I came back into the game I moved Nomaa to Kaap then to Ikao and after that to Hatakani which was the fun one, and then to my new hisec base. I completed the move two perhaps three weeks ago. Did not lose a single ship to gankers, but was bored senseless with the freighters… Bowhead was better.
You have learned to EVE sir.
See my above statement.
Its so funny how peeps latch onto this phrase but have never taken a logic class so they use it wrong all the time 
Modus ponens amirite?
Yea, Drac is one
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yeah, my friend’s kid is 8 years old, and doesn’t carry on like that. Some people are dying for attention. They are willing to do whatever it takes to validate themselves. I chimed in to talk about my take on the griefing post, not to entertain self-serving complaints about freighters with no prop mods or boredom or any other tangents one can conjure. I enjoy a good debate in the forums until,