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Stop posting this utter nonsense. “Pay to win” has never meant literally paying for automatic victory. Even in the most shameless P2W games it is theoretically possible to win without paying if your competition is bad enough.

even the Omega subscription would fall under “pay to win”

Except it doesn’t because omega is the default state which everything else is measured against. The existence of a free limited trial of the game doesn’t make the standard subscription “pay to win”.

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Hahaha says a psyco that trys to kill people, while trying to tell people who keep the game going with cash they are stupid and should quit. Your right up there with that other guy who makes stuff up saying he makes millions a year but gets scared to spend money on a video game cause he buys dice at 500 dollars hahahahahah. Haha o wait he said top 10 percent so that is like 100 million plus and he’s whining about eve plex, and how he can’t buy it hahahahahha

That is definitely not true, in uncharted waters online you cannot win if people don’t sell ypu the cash shop stuff and most of the time they don’t. In that game you can buy anti pvp flags, which they should add to this hahah I would love to see the psycos faces when some one popped a anti pvp flag and they couldn’t attack them. Also you can buy 50 percent speed boosts only in the cash shop, as well as items that are 1000s of times better than anything you can make in the game.

So if no one decided to sell the cash shop stuff, guess what you wouldn’t be able to do anything. The pirates would instant kill you taking all your stuff and there would be nothing you could do about it.

Verus this game there is nothing in the cash shop that will make you over powered compared to any one else, and eventually you can lose it. Its obvious to me most of you have never played a pay 2 win game before.

To be honest though I do so enjoy getting people excited about cash shops,especially in whining threads. Eve is so far from pay 2 win I dont even know what it is you guys have to discuss. There is literally nothing pay 2 win about this game.

No matter how much u spend, you aren’t going to be a god. Vs uncharted waters if you spent 1000 in the cash shop you would be a god and no one could touch you lol. This game is about numbers and getting people to work together. Even if you had 100 grand dumped into this cash shop, you would not be soloing full corps of people.

I won’t bust on you about pay 2 win if they start selling cash shop items that u can’t get in the game, that cancel pvp, increase speed by 50 percent, and items that increase your armor and speed by 10x more than you can obtain in game. With cash shop only skill books to use said cash shop items. Then I’ll say yep the games pay 2 win. With cash shop only ships that are not only faster, more hps, and better everything, but they are in gaming bottles.

Which uncharted has, and those people spend 5 grand a week some of them. I’m gonna shoot a wild guess, but within the first year of that game switching owners I bet they trippled the income of eve even tho eve has more players. So they are far from greedy, or guess what we would have all that and more.

The only argument you could have that this game is pay 2 win, is that if you started paying people I dono like liveable wage to do to the t what you wanted them to in game, u would be stomping every one, because no one could compete with a army of paid eve players lol. So that guy who says he makes millions a year but doesn’t buy eve plex cause he buys 500 dollar dice, decides to pay 100 people 20 grand a year to play eve for him.

So you went from everything’s ruined because eve plex, to you are a wealthy stock broker who is so cheap that paying for a video game is just wrong. None of this stuff you guys talk about makes any sense what so ever haha. We got u saying your a wealthy stock broker who works too but has time for eve. Than you got the other guy saying he makes millions and buys 500 dollar dice, but its a sin to buy video games. Like his 500 dollar dice and your stocks have any more meaning than eve plex.

Yep I’m gonna go back to you guys are all insane, and eve online is a insane asylum, and yep that includes me haha cause I enjoy talking to you.

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begone beast

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I do admit to being mildly amused at your bragging about how much cash you throw at games and how wealthy you are blablabla yet balking at a 6 billion isk hauling contract collateral…but mostly you’re not even an average effort troll.

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You guys can’t keep changing your definitions just because you get called out on an issue.

“in whatever form” includes the advantages you get above an Alpha clone.

holy crap you guys really just want to play the victim card here, don’t you? Mean CCP and their monetization practices scare you so you just throw out claims of “pay to win” because it’s just a buzzword you guys know.

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Yes I know everything you don’t like equals troll. There are 10 thousand people just like you, that talk ■■■■ about something like you are, and then get butt hurt saying everything is a troll post from the person who called you out. When I seriously doubt you even read what I wrote.

So unless some ones sucking up to you, agreeing with you, or what I call nut swinging hahah, it equals troll to you.

When I wouldn’t of even typed anything if 15 of you ■■■■ talkers started calling every one who pays for eve stupid. Then it went full blown insane with Bubba saying he makes 100s of millions and can’t handle games where some one can buy plex lol. With you ■■■■ talking saying games that do that are garbage and every one who buys from the cash shop is stupid, and its ruining everything.

When reality is when there is no cash shop, people black market it, which is way way worse than a cash. Which come to think about it you defended those rmt swine. So my guess is that you can’t sell your eve online black market garbage any more, and your pissed.

Can You provide example of such game and mechanics where you don’t need to know how to succeed to win if you drop real money to it?

I’ve seen paywalls, yes. I think it is not “the win” here. But I have never heard about ability to instantly “win” by paying. It’s always either golden ammo, premium tanks and such. But even with golden ammo one needs to fight and do it properly to use this ammo to get upper hand (your damage does not matter if you don’t hit your opponent and impenetrable tank only leads to death of boredom).

These examples only work if you make rich one dummier (or less talented) than poor one.

Now imagine that both persons in your example are equally talented. And now you will see the difference money can provide.

Does it mean that You would be Ok if CCP adds paywall with golden ships, golden ammo, golden skills and boosters? It’s not pay to win so… ?

Remember when couple special ships got replaced with regular ship + skin? One of them was Magnate (i cannot remember its full name)
I don’t think ship collection is safe.

yeah but the talented one will not waste the money in stupid packs wen there is drugs , prostitutes and booze IRL
he will make the isk in game

omg i remember i had one , kador? duno the name to
but at least it was cheap

Implying that the game is nothing more than little fun when you have nothing good to do?
Then yes. In this case one should be stupid to spend any money on it (even to buy Omega).
However most of activities will be of no limits to such players (simply by needing time and effort to build knowledge).

The fun starts when the game is more than watching youtube movies. When you spend time and effort in there and starts to build some plans. You think no one smart will still use money?

I am starting to get the vibe that the AT ship values aren’t as stable as they once were. The guys who insist on the old prices are having trouble selling them. It takes a certain sort of person to be interested in a 500 billion isk cruiser. Like, somebody who is compensating for something . . .

i was just kidding
but IMO the only advantage one can get for the store its against other NOOBS
if one buys all the skills and all the ships in the game he will be a half mitani ? sure not
he will be equivalent to one tutucox ?
i dont think so …

btw i like to buy plex with isk

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if you guys care i can talk about it but i think the drawing i made is very self explanatory

OMG im F smart

Removed a few inappropriate posts - keep on topic please…

Fly safe or die hard trying o7

ISD Bahamut

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Pay to Win:
You have two players, both with the same level of account access, and mental/physical capabilities that would put them on a somewhat level playing field in regards to basic game skills.

Player A is a guy just out of college who has landed a job and now has a little side cash for some games, and chooses to pay $15/month for an Omega account.
Player B is a 19yr old kid that was born into a wealthy family who also pays $15/month for an Omega account, but also has a $500/month “allowance” and little if any responsibilities to deal with.

The first month goes by.

Going into the second month, does CCP offer a means in which Player B can spend that $500 and beat Player A in a PvP match where Player A could not win regardless of how many times he tried?

If the answer is yes, then Eve has added Pay-to-win.

The greater discussion here in attempting to answer the question as to whether or not every ship/fit has a weakness that any other ship/fit can exploit (keep in mind, both players in the example are of the same general skill level in regards to eye hand coordination, etc.)

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JFC you’re clueless. Let me explain it in nice simple terms for you:

I mentioned my income and spending habits to shoot down your idiotic “EVERYONE WHO HATES PLEX IS POOR” argument. I could spend $1000 on PLEX if I felt like it, but I choose not to do so.

I do not spend $1000 on a video game because it removes the point of playing. It’s like buying an FPS and upgrading to a special collector’s edition where for an extra $1000 you skip playing the game and it just shows you the end credits saying “YOU ARE WINNER”. I want to play EVE, not buy a meaningless victory with IRL cash.

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hmph…

Tell that to the “fake” italian “lawyer” that lost his blingy Raven, after being in game for a week and complained how in WoW having all the best ship and gear would be an insta-win against others…he even threatened to sue CCP and other players back then…

His ranting on the forums was so hilarious, cause he had no clue how to EvE.

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So where do the skill points that are given in the daily skilling spree come from? a unicorn’s butt or what?

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