Here is how to gain neutral standings to triglavian npcs

Good luck screaming over a running chainsaw. :smiley:

Great faith can move mountains.

Great Ramona can outscreech a chainsaw when sheā€™s not had her sleep.

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Its not about paying money for playing, but paying money for playing what you would want to play.
Current CCP doesnt really make it alluring, just more chores.

That is why I refuse to play.

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I understand.
Luckily for you thereā€™s tons of other games to play. :slight_smile:

Iā€™m still kinda confused. What does warping at 100 mean?

You can warp to a destination at a range you specify, from 0 km to 100 km.

Some use warp to 100km as a quick warp in and out to do a quick view of whatā€™s on site.

If its safe they warp bounce off an nearby warp point and warp back to point at 0km.

The accuracy with which you arrive is approximate, and varies with both your skill-levels and the ship youā€™re in. e.g. I live in a wormhole, mainly using an Astero for scouting, and my skills are pretty good. If Iā€™m going to a newly-scanned wormhole I always warp in at a distance with a covert cloak, in case itā€™s camped. I found that warping in at 10km left me uncloaked within 2.5 km about 1 time in 10, so I now warp in at 20 Km and never lose my cloak. It definitely varies by ship, too - I have a docking bookmark to my base - the Astero always lands within docking range, but an Imicus can land anywhere up to 5km from it, and is vulnerable while it ā€˜slow-boatsā€™ to the docking range.

Sounds like you need a better BM, because that isnā€™t how the warp mechanics work at all, and there arenā€™t any skills that affect the proper warp mechanics, the ones youā€™re thinking of relate to scanner probe accuracy, they donā€™t help you at all when warping to a station

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If the BM works for some ships but not for others, there must be a difference in how accurately different ships arrive at the BM. The Astero always arrives within docking range, the Imicus (and my Epithal too) usually (but not always) arrive a small distance away.

Just rng.
Your BM is ā– ā– ā– ā– .

Some formula that you seem to ignore :
warp land sphere is 2500m (centered on warp destination).
docking radius of station is radius +700m (you can dock at 700m or below distance).

So in order to have a working insta BM, you NEED ā€¦ ??

I had wondered if agility might have something to do with that. Itā€™s quite noticeable how differently a freighter and a cruiser (the webber!) arrive at a bookmark. However, Iā€™m not sure that the difference in agility between an Astero and an Imicus would be a sufficient factor.

the difference is the model radius. A bigger ship seems to arrive more on the BM because its model isā€¦ bigger.

Is your bookmark on the strcture itself (can you dock using the bookmark) or in space inside the docking ring? The latter has more consistent results, especially if you fly deeper into the docking ring than just showing as 0m from the structure; a structureā€™s model in space is typically large enough to set a true in-space insta-dock bookmark where any landing spot in the warp-to-zero 2500m destination sphere is within the docking ring, whereas the warp-to-zero rules on a structure itself set the 2500m distance from the nearest edge of the model rather than the center of the model.

Then why does the Astero always land within the docking distance, but the Imicus rarely manages it ?

Which was the point I was trying to make (before Getenā€™s ego got in the wayā€¦)

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My BM was formed by undocking from the station, then flying back towards it until it showed a distance of zero. Iā€™ve done this on a number of stations on various systems I visit regularly, and I always see this discrepancy between landing position and ship type.

And anyway, why should that give different landing points for different ships (which is the point in dispute) ?

RNG

Literally whaqt I explained you. But yours shittard ego prevents you from understanding why your BM is ā– ā– ā– ā– .

Every single use of an in-space bookmark gives a different landing within the 2500m sphere centered on the bookmark pin point. Where you land is random within that space. There are no known mechanics that tie warp-to behaviors for bookmarks to ship hulls; you appear to simply be unlucky with certain ships when using a poorly placed bookmark - you should update the bookmark to be entirely within the docking ring and this should stop happening.

Instead of simply flying to 0 on the structure (whoch still puts you only 500m inside the docking ring), fly deeper - manually navigate in space to fly under or above the structure, between its longest protuberances, until the edge of the docking ring is at least 2500m away.

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Iā€™ve been using this bookmark several times a day for well over a year, and my results are consistent - which doesnā€™t agree with ā€œyou appear to simply be unlucky with certain ships when using a poorly placed bookmarkā€.