I wanted to personally thank “Nasty Shrew” for exploding my alt Shill over in Algogille yesterday.
I can’t say I comprehend this combat style, but Shill looted their husk for 1.6 million. They are losing about 3 million per Thrasher podding in HS. I sent Shill over to fetch me a hauler sitting in Couster and left her on auto-pilot. When I got back to her, she was back home, so I sent her again and on the way out of Couster she pick up the loot.
My advice to everyone is to look where Shrew is hanging out on zkillboard, send in your alt on AP, then collect your reward. As long as you don’t have implants to lose, it is a small ISK win again and again.
So what you are telling me, we should pop nothing but capsules to go red? Not exactly the kind of PvP record I would want people to see. I think that kind of kill score, would be as base as smart-bombing in LS traffic lanes. I suppose if they want to spend 300 million on ships over time just to get red status the easy way, I won’t hold it against them. I wonder, if they could take me on in PvP destroyer vs destroyer? Probably not, since they are using a close combat Thrasher and I prefer my Coercers for that sort of thing. If they run across a Corax missile boat, needless to say they are sunk.
@Christine_Creed I agree you would make more mining veldspar, but since they are out there, just place a tag on them so you can get loot and killright. I never thought for one minute anyone would be crazy enough to pop pods in HS near a school system. They would of had a shot at my hauler coming out of Couster. However, if I were a 30 day newbie, I could call foul on that one, but I am not petty. Just a little surprised.
Maybe you, or anybody that knows, can help me understand when the ISK positive became a common Joe concern. Back in the day it was NS Corp propaganda.
Now everybody talks about it like it matters, I’m missing the point here. Who cares if Safety is ISK negative, if they kill my only ship and I have no more ISK, I’m doomed.
People are so easily influenced by propaganda. There’s no real effect to average Joe if he is ISK positive or not, assets are assets, CORPs have lots of assets, common person even if ISK positive may be out of assets.
Am I missing something here?
The dude on ZKB is killing pods like a madman, it’s clear he does not care. Total wrong inverted flex, just gave the ganker more clout.
And I’m the troll… at least my brain still works.
Sorry for the edit:
Not to mention the total wrong comprehension about ZKB. The dude is manually uploading the KM, in a POD you only going to make your ZKB looks bad.
One is indeed common NS propaganda. For example “we lost the fight but all our lost ships only cost 400 million total while the one expensive ship they lost was 600 million, ISK positive!” is a lighthearted way to look at losses and to keep the most valuable NS resource high: morale.
The other way to look at ISK positiveness isn’t so much about the value of the kill, but is about the value of the loot minus the cost to get it. This is relevant only in HS ganks where ships of criminals are destroyed by CONCORD. For example criminals could destroy a ship that drops 100 million loot sacrificing ships worth 50 million: ISK positive.
This last example isn’t about morale, but is about economics.
Yes, for you it may not seem to matter whether they were ISK positive destroying your ship or not if you don’t have ISK to replace it, but then you forget an important aspect: likeliness of losing that ship.
Any ship in EVE can be destroyed, but in HS only a small selection of ships can be destroyed for profit.
If you fit your ship well and don’t carry too much value at once you can make your ship an unprofitable target, reducing the likeliness that people kill your ship as they might rather want to shoot the next ship that is profitable.
Still, as we have seen in this thread not everyone kills for profit only so flying unprofitable targets doesn’t remove all risk and merely reduces it. Some people kill for the fun of it and don’t mind spending as little as 3 million ISK to check if a pod has implants.
I always laughed at that. Unless you picked up more in value in loot than you lost in hulls, you were not ‘‘ISK positive’’. And nobody ever picked up more in value in loot. That was always a complete logical fallacy.
But now, if we look at things in a relative perspective. The absolute perspective is ok. The ganker is losing money.
But in a relative perspective. The ganker is wasting pocket change and I’m losing 40%-60% of my assets, I don’t have a passive ISK incoming, not a trader, etc.
You see? The ganker is winning, he screw’d my game. Even losing ISK.
Ofc that’s not related to the OP, that ganker is just making a stand for his own reasons, I’m putting a big picture, because people want to defend ISK positive while it does not matter anymore, some people are so rich they don’t even care anymore.
I don’t like it. It’s right, it’s good advice, but it’s also a coward mentality. It’s somehow a mental prison you can’t play EVE because some rule set in stone you should be eternally afraid.
So what? What if I want to play the game being snuggly af? This ain’t my second job, either I’m having fun or not having fun. Why would I not fly because others?
I agree that maximizing my chances is very important, like first not flying AFK or with sub skills my Orca is a must, but not flying one just because I cannot buy another does not see like fun to me.
ALSO, what impeding me of losing my backup? What’s impeding me of losing what I could lose and then coming to a situation where I cannot lose anymore?
I want to contest that rule, it makes no sense, it cannot be applied recursively, at some point it must be broken. At some point, one must take the chance. Why skip fun because fear?
Good advice especially for newbies who might come from other games where they always used their best and most expensive equipment everywhere and need to change their mindset to succeed in EVE.
I too don’t always stick to that rule and occasionally fly ships I cannot replace with my current ISK, but I do know I’m taking a risk by doing so and even if I cannot afford to immediately replace such ships I can play without those ships and know how to earn ISK to eventually replace it.
The main reason for that advice isn’t to tell you that you’re not allowed to fly fun expensive ships.
It is to tell you that by choosing to fly your most expensive ship for fun or by putting everything you own in a hauler you’re taking a big risk. And if you die it’s not the fault of whoever shot your ship, nor of the game mechanics, but the fault of the person who took that needless risk.
