High Sec Candidate

[Dracvlad]

@Lorelei_Ierendi

I did ask to not keep talking about this in my thread.

Well it was important for me to understand this because me like many people in hisec are pretty clear that structures in hisec are not as easy to defend and they are borderline not worth having if you are a small indy corp. Exhibit A

Though Athanors are great for high ends, so glad that we have them.

@Lorelei_Ierendi

This is one of those times where people have not read what I have said, and are going off on their own.

High Sec citadels are much harder to take out than others… when the owners are AFK.
And by AFK I mean inactive and not trying to defend. I hope that the wardec changes are going to lead to changes here… especially with regards to the ISK cost.

So you are defining the need to have two weeks war dec as the issue which is 200m. If they loot it then they should be able to cover that war dec cost at least, there are the modules and of course you can pick up a lot of P4 salvage. What you are defining here is will to do it and the fact that hisec is controlled space.

@Lorelei_Ierendi

This is the problem that has contributed so much to the high sec citadel spam.

The spam happened before and the structures were so much harder to attack in terms of limited vulnerability, this is when the spam happened, this has been loosened a lot in comparison to then and in fact there are certainly a lot less then you think, before an Astrahus was vulnerable for three hours a week, now its shield can be taken down at any time of the day. In my area one war dec alliance cleaned out almost all of them in three constellations in the region I am in.

@Lorelei_Ierendi

Of course when people are active and defending their citadels the high sec ones are easier to destroy. Firstly (of course) high sec citadels are usually owned by very small corporations that have no idea how to fit citadels or ships, and have noone that can PVP or knows anything about that.
Then of course, the big fancy weapons are not available in high sec. So of course your “normal” “defended” high sec citadel is not a comparison to anything packing those fancy weapons… but that is not even a point I would try to make.

It is important in terms of people wanting or bothering to defend them. Attacking a manned Astrahus in nullsec is hairy, the only good thing about them is that they are often fit for caps or subcaps.

@Lorelei_Ierendi

I do not know what it is you think I am trying to cut.

Many people like myself who operate with people who have structures feel that they are too weak in hisec, this is an important structure because so many small entities and solo players want to do indy in hisec without being a total walk over. If you as someone wanting to represent hisec got this wrong then heaven help us.

@Lorelei_Ierendi

Please do not talk more about this in my thread this year… noone else is going to read it. Either make a shiny new thread or else save up your concerns for my next year thread?

I asked you because I wanted to understand what you meant, because I just did not understand it, in fact I still don’t think that the 200m cost of war dec is an issue because the module drops and the P4 salvage will certainly cover that. from one moderately fit structure at least in my experience.

But thanks for explaining your thought process, I will respect your wishes here, but as you were a hisec player I wanted to know what you meant as this subject/issue is very important to me and the people I operate with. o7, sorry to see that you did not get in and I wish you all the best for next year.