In order to do this we would first have to start doing whatever magic trick you think we’re doing.
Your position is basically that we perform a manoeuvre we know to be an exploit (the details of which exist only in your own mind) exposing ourselves to potential CCP censure with the only upside of avoiding a single easily dealt with concord spawn. This is not the calculus of rational people.
Well I have given the details of what people need to look for and what to report, you know what it is, just don’t do it, it is not as if you really need to do it.
Here is how this “exploit” rumours get started:
And now the best thing about it: I’m not even joking 
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You are desperately trying to stop people from reporting this.
The exploit is real and can simply be reported by noting the things that I stated, if anyone gets pointed in a freighter or bowhead and this especially important for people who use webbers to get their freighter into warp which is when they the gankers do this. So if there is no CONCORD and no wreck on grid from the ship that pointed you do a petition.
People who follow the rules have nothing to fear, and Ima, I have to say that you do seem to be rather salty over this.
Dracvlad, I’ll accept that you and your people have found some new exploit, but I am really having a hard time believing this is a ‘big deal’ as you seem to be implying or in such wide-spread use that it requires PSAs to freighter pilots. Sacrificing a frigate with a tackle module is of negligible value - just random noise - in the total cost of a freighter gank. I don’t believe anyone would risk the ban-hammer to save their million ISK tackle ship from CONCORD or to avoid a single CONCORD spawn on a gate, one that could easily be removed if need be. In fact, as we see above there isn’t even a need to do so if the gate guns get the tackler first. I, of course, can’t prove it never happened, but it seems very, very implausible that anyone would do this for the next-to-no benefit and with such significant risk of being caught and banned.
But what I really want to know is if you reported the details of this new ‘exploit’ to CCP? Are they aware of it?
[citation needed]
You have provided literally zero proof of anything. All I’ve gotten from you is typographical flailing.
I have provided some fun experiments for people to try so they can work out how concord works on their own. I and others have explained that the risk/reward of what you’re claiming doesn’t add up.
So the question remains, why should anyone listen to you?
Who? Who does this and what is it? The only thing I can think about that you could be refering to is what we call the “warp trick”. Which is shooting/pointing before you warp off, resulting in concord killing you where you land. Which also has been considered an exploit by ccp for quite a while and no ganker I know, or any ganker in their right mind for that matter, uses that anymore, for that exact reason.
Is this what you are refering to? Because that is also totally useless for pointing (you want to hold the point until something is bumped, so why would you warp off?). So please either tell us what this wierd exploit is that all gankers use especially when pointing freighters with webbers or stop spreading missinformation.
Because as many gankers have pointed out in this thread, no one knows what you actually are talking about. And no one in their right mind would use an exploit that obviously (from your vague explanation) delays or evades concord, to save a expendable pointing ship that probably costs less than 10 mil.
That is it. And you’re right, that no ganker in his right mind would use it as it literally screams “exploit”. But we’re talking about the same guy here who got his whole gank fleet banned last year for delaying CONCORD, soooo… Maybe it’s not such a good idea to be in the same fleet as he is. I suppose you know whose alt that is:
and another one:
Check the location of the kills. This technique can also be used for boomeranging btw.
As a multiboxer it saves you a little bit of time/attention span for pulling the CONCORD spawn from the grid. But I agree that it is, in lack of a better forum rules compliant word, “not so smart”.
Okay, I’m going to say it…
Dracvlad is correct. IF somebody engages in a criminal act (in game) towards you (e.g. points your ship and you are not at war, do not have kill rights, are not suspect, etc.) and CONCORD does not show up, then yes, that should be reported. Evading CONCORD, even if it is a bug, is an exploit. Now, that does not mean people maybe mistaken. The forgot they did have a kill right and thus are killed thinking it was via an exploit.
Really? Have you tested this? I have not.
Aha. not such a mysterious exploit after all. Why didn’t you say that 50 posts ago? Please do report people who do that then.
That’s correct. Even more so: if there was already a CONCORD spawn in the system that got despawned for this, it won’t respawn anymore. That’s how you can entirely remove a CONCORD spawn from a system.
Yes concord not spawning because you’re already dead is a thing. Stop beating a dead horse. Just because there is no concord after you point someone does not mean it was an exploit. Just means you died to quickly.
I have, extensively. My first post here contains a bullet point list of how to test it. Testing eve mechanics for yourself is always worth it as, due to how powerful having knowledge of mechanics over and above your opponent is, people will hoard knowledge. I urge you and others reading to go try it out for yourselves, don’t take my word for it.
From the description it is pretty clear what it is if you already know about it. I didn’t know that you have a name for it, sorry.
It doesn’t mean there isn’t an exploit either, though. Yes, if the gate guns get you first…okay fine, but things do get broken with updates, look at the self destruct issue.
Yes they are aware of it. But you know the rules around exploits and detailing them on the forums, all I have done is define the circumstances where people should contact CCP. I find the smokescreen put up by gankers rather odd except that they are making it personal, but that is their normal mode of operation.
PS As Sarah has detailed one of the person involved and will thus will likely get a forum ban, I will say that I have known about this exploit for well over a year, but was shocked to find that they were still using it at times. I would say to them gank away guys, have fun, but please try to stick within the rules, you don’t need to do this!
And what I did was explain how following your advice would lead to people spam reporting innocent gankers of all varieties (especially pod/shuttle poppers), now that sarah has come in and explained exactly what the problem is (which could have been done 50 posts ago) we can all know what to look for, agree that you shouldn’t do that and move on. There is no smokescreen here.
This is getting better by the minute.
Is there anything Drac did not know for a year? The connections, the sources, the spays, it is incredible. That ag intel network ist on top of the game.
Drac, if you run for CSM one day, you have all my votes. I really really would like to see this. I can’t really think about a better person for the job.
You are not especially good at sarcasm…